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Talk about reading your beliefs into scripture! Just because I give you an apple doesn't mean you automatically accept it. Me giving you the apple doesn't effectually make you accept it. In the same way, Just because Christ gave life to the world, doesn't mean that the whole world will accept...

So what? The meaning is the same:

So... Total inability?

Nanja, not Nang. It's worse than that. She blindly congratulates b57 for how brilliant his posts are, and then gives praise to God for it, crediting Him for their (willfully ignorant) errors.

Not until you address my point of contention, which is not that an unbeliever is imprisoned in his belief. Now move to the next logical step of that, wherein my contention lies: An unbeliever, imprisoned in his belief, CAN, if he is shown through the gospel, recognize that he is imprisoned...

Yes it does. Paul just doesn't use the term "us in Him" or "in Him." What he DOES use is "we." He's including himself in what's he's saying. He's one of those "in Him." Wrong. Paul is talking about believers, those who have faith. I'm glad you agree with what I said above. We were...

Not what I'm talking about, and you know it, B57.

Yes, we agree. There is only one God. You're still not hitting the point of contention. Stop being a hypocrite and wasting my time. I said:

It says that those "in Him" shall be saved. Which does not conflict with what I've been saying this entire time.

So you concede that "spiritually dead" does not mean "morally incapable," but rather that it simply means "separated from God"?

Not hitting the point of contention. We agree on this, what I'm addressing, however, is that you think that someone who is imprisoned in unbelief cannot recognize they are imprisoned when shown, which is simply false. No one said otherwise. By first being freed, and then by walking out. You...

I know what Romans 5:10 says. I'm telling you that the verse is specifically talking about those who are "in Him," the same "us in Him" as in Ephesians 1:4. It has nothing to do with anyone other than the "us in Him" group.

Because you say so? Words have meaning, B57. You can't just ignore it when it doesn't suit your paradigm of beliefs. If that were true, then Christ would NOT have said what He said in John 6:44. He would have just said "man cannot come to Me because he is spiritually dead." As I explained...

Respond to the rest of my post, please. Simply repeating yourself is not sufficient.

He CAN if drawn by God... As per John 6:44. Imprisoned DOES NOT mean that one cannot recognize that he is imprisoned and that when he recognizes such, it does not mean that he cannot seek freedom from the one offering it to him. Romans 11:32 is talking about unbelieving Israel, who rejected...

What I said was a corollary of the verse, and thus, by definition, founded on scripture. "We." When WE were enemies, WE were reconciled, and WE shall be saved. Who is the WE Paul is speaking of? "Us in Him." NOT "Those who were unilaterally chosen by God for an unknown reason before the...

So what? Being separated from God (spiritually dead) doesn't mean God cannot reach out to him. "Does not." Not "cannot." He cannot understand the things of God, but that's different than being incapable of seeking God, which he CAN do if the Father draws him (John 6:44).

Stamping your foot and demanding that you're right doesn't make it so, nor does it refute the rest of my post which you clearly intentionally ignored. Address the rest of my post, please.

False. Jesus in that passage is talking to His disciples, the Twelve AND others that were followers of His. You have to go back a chapter, and to the end of chapter 7, but Matthew 5:1-2 and 7:28 are EXPLICITLY CLEAR whom Jesus is talking to. Again, "does not," not "cannot."