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Oh, okay. Paul doesn't condone a husband forcing himself on his wife or even allude to that being okay in a loving marriage. Got that straight now?

Prove what? How Paul doesn't condone a husband forcing himself on his wife or even allude to that being okay in a loving marriage? Are you kidding me?

Don't condone it but it's understandable at times. Given what's been posited here at times I can sure understand why wives leave their husbands by way of...

Paul doesn't advocate or defend what you're positing anyway. So that's once again moot. Simple really Derf. If you love and cherish someone then you don't force yourself on them and you also don't try and reason some twisted way to justify doing so either.

Rape is indefensible so of course it is. That was easy. Some wingnuts on here advocate that adultery should be a capital crime and via stoning so of course not. There'd be no way any council would even go near that so kinda moot.

Can you imagine Paul saying that it's a good idea for a husband to force his unwilling wife into sex? "Defraud"? Wow, the lengths some of you lot go to to justify this garbage...

Ironic that you talk about my wanting to impose stuff on everyone else when I'm categorically against the notion of husbands having the right to force themselves on their wives. There's also the law that I didn't set that considers rape a crime including in marriage so hey...

Unfortunately you're talking to some who "think" that rape cannot occur in a "Christian" marriage.

Gotta be the shortest post I've ever seen from you but no need for any other words to be written. Absolutely.

Which ones would those be? The Bible doesn't sanction rape of any sort as far as I'm aware and if you think you have authority over your wife's body to do as you please when you see fit then you're missing the loving and cherishing part of the union. If your wife is unwilling to engage in...

They have the right not to be raped by their husbands, that's for sure. To pick up further in regards to your comment about Paul, from what I recall in the epistles, he encourages not to marry but it's better to do so than to burn with passion so it's kinda a select audience he's addressing...

Nope.

According to any none wingnut.

There's no excusable reason to use force regardless, period. A husbands wife is not obliged to give him sex on tap.

I would very much hope you wouldn't but you're the one who's been prattling on about how it somehow isn't rape and whatnot.

Don't try and pen romance novels as a career move whatever you do JR... Uh, yah, I saw the apostrophes, duh. Shame you can't 'read between the lines' and recognize that a loving relationship is not about possession or ownership in a literal sense.

To be fair I should have been a bit more specific in retrospect although the context was still easily enough read. In a loving relationship nobody would regard their partner as their property or whatever anyway and would in no way, shape or form, force sex onto them.

How about hers? If she says no to sex and you force yourself on her regardless despite her protestations then please explain what this "something else" is other than rape and also how such an act is somehow loving and cherishing your wife.

"The sex is the right"?! There's no "time where force would come into play" Derf, not in a loving relationship, not if you truly loved and cherished her. If you did so you would be raping your wife. She is not your property and neither would you be hers. But if you were to do the above then...

No disagreement with the content here but some here actually have the level of stupidity to outright state that there's no such thing as rape in a marriage. They don't even acknowledge that a husband forcing his unwilling wife into sex counts as such. Stupefying for sure but it's there...