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I get what you're saying, but if you're becoming a Christian for the heavenly rewards, your priorities need adjusting. It's not about the rewards. It's about relationships, with God, and with other believers.

I'm not shouting. I'm frustrated because this is so easy to understand, yet you show no interest in even trying to understand. NO. Leaving one's baby outside in freezing temperatures is not murder, period. Refusing to bring them back inside (or to provide warmth to the baby) shows intent...

Saying it doesn't make it so. No. A child has the right to life. That life should be protected by his parents, by them providing what he needs to live. Beyond that, nothing is guaranteed. This can be achieved without a government program. This is said government program. No, because it...

Then don't make ridiculous claims such as "Your personal version of the Bible is so grossly inept". Good for you. No, it doesn't. No Bible does. Yes, if you are going to insist on changing the subject to something that is not related to the topic of this thread, you need to start a new...

It shouldn't, because needs aren't rights. Because it's not true. The United Nations doesn't trump God. False.

TOL is a mainline Christian board. Just because it doesn't hold to the beliefs you consider correct doesn't make it heretical. I use the NKJV. If you have a problem with that, then that's on you. The tags under my name have nothing to do with my theology. Start a new thread. Ad hominem...

NO, Anna, I'm talking about THE LITERAL REMOVAL OF THE BABY. I'm not using it as a euphemism. I mean EXACTLY what I say. REMOVING the baby IS NOT MURDER unless you INTENTIONALLY STOP TO KILL THE BABY. The law allows for the murder of the baby. This "exception" means a baby is killed, not...

No, that's not what it means. Saying it doesn't make it so, and scripture says otherwise. Appeal to the stone. (That's a logical fallacy, by the way. You might want to look it up.) False. Oh boy, you're one of those types. God does change. You have to ignore most of the Bible to think...

The mother is dying. The way to save the mother is either remove the baby or transplant the baby to the uterus (see below). Murdering the baby is not a valid option. There's no exception to be had. Outlaw abortion (the killing of the baby in the womb), no exceptions. Removing the baby to...

That doesn't make them rights. Saying it doesn't make it so. Wrongfully so. Begging the question. They aren't rights to begin with.

I have never denied that all of scripture is given by God and profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. However, that DOES NOT mean that everything was written to everyone, much less only to the Body of Christ. If you're going to read other...

It is legalism. Paul clearly states that we are NOT under the law, but under grace. The 10 Commandments are law. We in the Body of Christ live by faith, not by law. No, I told you that they were all addressed to a different audience, that being national Israel. The Body of Christ is not...

Talk about targeting minorities...

Obedience to the law is attempting to do that, yes. In the context of Christianity, what you say next is, by definition, legalism: In contrast, here's what Paul says about obedience: What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh?For if Abraham was justified...

When did the show air?

I'm not a leftist.

This is why intent matters. If the intent is to kill the baby, then yes, it is murder. But if the goal is to save mom and the baby if possible, then it's not murder. Again, letting a dying person die is NOT murder. Intentionally killing a dying person is murder. If a doctor can only save...

Removing the baby from the woman's body will end the baby's life, but it's not murder unless you intentionally kill the baby. Letting a dying person die =/= killing a dying person That's the point I'm trying to make, Anna. Now you're moving the goalposts. Currently, in an abortion...

Only if your intent is to kill the baby. Otherwise, you only terminate the pregnancy, not the baby's life. This crucial difference is what determines whether the procedure is moral or immoral. Again, the difference is intent. The goal is to save the mother and the baby if possible. If that...

What you believe or don't believe doesn't trump what scripture says, B57. Again, WHICH church? There are at least two. Espoused doesn't mean "predestinated" (sic). It means "betrothed."