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  1. Clete

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Unless you're breathing something other than the air in the car, this objection doesn't make sense. You breath in air from the car and direct a higher pressure body of air in the direction of your brother which in turn moves your bother's hair. You made wind with your mouth, the Earth makes it...
  2. Clete

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Okay. I keep forgeting about the "Devil's advocate" aspect of your position. Okay, I can live with that. Except that I wasn't kidding, he's got 200 reasons that are all wrong. What I posted with just the first nine reasons I literally could do with every single reason he gives. If you can...
  3. Clete

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Motion is only meaningful relative to other objects. The air is NOT moving relative to the car. The air IS moving with the car relative to the road. No, that isn't it. It doesn't matter whether the air even exists. If we happened to be creatures that lived on a planet with no atmosphere or if...
  4. Clete

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Of course, you can! It's called wind and weather and atmospheric pressure. You live in an ocean of air. The former. It holds it, Dave! Clouds are floating on more dense air beneath them. Bird and planes move through the atmosphere in such a way as to create lift which opposes the pull of...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    From this silly video (Sorry Dave! I cannot keep from ridiculing it. It's is mind-numbing stupidity.) 1. The horizon always looks perfectly flat, 360 degrees around an observer, regardless of altitude. FALSE: An observer above 35000 ft with a near cloudless field of view of 60 degrees or...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    What? Come on, Dave! Are you serious? Try swimming across a flowing river and see if you don't both go across the river and down steam with the current. This is really really simple stuff here. What's going on with you? Relative to the Earth's axis it is, yes! It still has to travel through...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Your testimony is! Just as the con artists on the Trinity Broadcasting Network do damage to the faith, so also does any Christian who stubbornly ignores sound reason in favor of blind belief, no matter the topic. The truth is rational! If you are seen accepting a cosmology that is clearly...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    I'll try again. We should see the movement of the Earth relative to what? We see it's movement all the time. The sun rises and sets as does the rest of the things we see in the sky. It doesn't feel like the Earth is moving because we are moving with it but that doesn't change the fact that...
  9. Clete

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    The marksman is wrong. That is NOT the Coriolis effect - period. He is flatly wrong. My bet is that there isn't any marksman anywhere that has ever said that. I totally believe that such an argument was put forward on those videos but that doesn't mean that any real marksman said such a thing...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Do yourself a favor and don't call an argument "absolutely true" until you've run it past me first. ;) Not so. The Coriolis effect is the result of the conservation of angular momentum. It cannot be "negated" except by a force acting in the opposite direction. What is it that you propose is...
  11. Clete

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Pretty sure that they're the same people who publish the flat fold-up maps! They're clearly in on the conspiracy though! P.S. Your avatar is terrific, by the way! One of my favorites I've ever seen.
  12. Clete

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    He doesn't have it wrong. Special Relativity states that time (all of it - past, present and future) exists. This is fundamentally fatalistic. There are many people who have made this and similar arguments for decades... The Block Universe of Special Relativity This is not be taken to...
  13. Clete

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    What's the motive, Dave? Why would anyone care to keep the flatness of the Earth a secret or to trick the world into thinking its a sphere? Who benefits and how/why?
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Dave, I started the first video you linked too and made it all of two minutes before I had to turn it off. You have got to be joking! You cannot possibly be taking these videos seriously! The Mississippi River would have to ascend up hill to reach the Gulf of Mexico? Seriously?! Come on...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    It doesn't. A hot object falls at exactly the same rate as any other object. The variables are things like air resistance and boyancy which can be effected by heat. NO ONE has ever said any such thing. The reason tides aren't observable in ponds is because its too small a body of water to...
  16. Clete

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Very well, I'll watch at least part of it.
  17. Clete

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    The same way the air in your car (and you as well) moves with your car when you're driving it. The atmosphere is part of the planet, Dave. It all moves together. It all spins together on it's axis and it all orbits the sun - together. This is not at all a difficult concept. I am seriously...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Sorry for the delayed response to you last several posts, I've been away over the Christmas holiday. The above post does not address what I said in rebuttal to one of, if not the only actual argument you've made on this thread. And nothing else you've said on this thread has been of sufficient...
  19. Clete

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    If I promise to watch these videos will you begin to respond substantively to my arguments?
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    This is not an answer. And I think you know that it isn't. You've always struck me as an intellectually honest guy who isn't afraid to think and to shed religious beliefs when sound reason requires it. Why the blind faith in a flat Earth?
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