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How? Idolatry is offering sacrifices to the wrong god. The only sacrifices offered by Christians are offered to the Father----is this a practice you find to be "idolatrous"?

What's confused? God is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. The Trinity is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. The Trinity is God. There's nothing confused about it at all.

Nope.

My point was that the ritual is not just the distribution of 'wafers' but literally includes preaching the gospel and confirming the resurrection. So if the man preaching the gospel and confirming the resurrection doesn't believe what he's preaching and what's he confirming, that isn't going to...

In as much as everybody will rise from the dead during the resurrection of the dead, yeah.

I don't understand the part about separating preaching the gospel and confirming the resurrection, from communion. If by communion you just mean the distribution of 'wafers' then your scenario is difficult to imagine, since what would sustain such practices for centuries on end?

Well I think that it does make sense. But it's totally fine if you don't agree. I don't think 666 as an 'office' makes sense. So maybe we're even. :D

So chapter 12's " woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown" is literally Mary then? Mary is all throughout that chapter.

The gold just confirms but doesn't prove it's Nero. What substantiates the claim that it's Nero is the gematria, number one; and the ancient tradition that it's Nero, that was written about by members of the Church; much closer in time to when Revelation was first written, than we are now.

If Nero is Mr. 666 then "the name of the beast" is literally on the coins made for him. Logic check: If Nero is Mr. 666 and his name is printed on a coin, is it true that that coin has upon it "the name of the beast or the number of its name"? Even if there are zero coins with '666'? If you...

There are two 666 references in the Bible that concern Solomon /Jedidiah. There's also another 666 that refers to how many people are in a family or clan or something like that. So all told there are four 666's in the Bible. If you are not aware. That's an interpretation. Solomon is a king...

Why? See below. That doesn't follow for me. It would seem to be more like we find out Paul was a fraud, but he still preached the real Gospel, and people still really believe in Christ because of that Word that Paul----the whole thing an act, on his part----preached. You could still damn...

One thing to be aware of with 666 is what the Church thought about it, much closer in time to when Revelation was written. We have written evidence of a couple things worth knowing. One is that Nero was at least in some ancient 'circles' "Mr. 666", and the other is that there exist manuscripts...

The idea that it's "just" Nero contends with the idea that Nero is just 'a' 666, but not the only one for all time. This view believes that there is at least one more '666' to come. So what I'm saying is that, it's not impossible that Nero is 'the', 'Mr. 666', and that that's the end of it...

It would certainly explain the rigorous resistance to 666 just being Nero. That closes the interpretation on Revelation, makes it a largely 'preterist' book like how Acts is largely preterist and how the Gospels are largely preterist. There's so much more room for the imagination to run if 666...

No. It's impossible. Because the Apostles aren't here anymore. It can't be worse than losing Peter and Paul within a year of each other, if that's what actually happened. They had to die sometime of course, but to go by execution, within a year of each other, was as close to a fatal blow...

I kind of feel the same way about anyone who thinks that democracy is in peril, whether or not he did. Because our political situation brushed off last January 6th like a mosquito. Basically nothing happened that day, it was closer to a 'prank' than a real attempt to take power, and all the...

As opposed to members of the Republican 'base', these were 'independents'. They wouldn't be the ones voting Repub straight down every ballot, every election. That's I think the common meaning of calling someone a Republican. These people liked what the party offered in President Trump, but...

Nobody can ever do that again, that was the point of 666 maybe just being a single historical individual, in case anybody missed that. Nero was the Roman emperor, and Peter and Paul were right in his backyard cultivating the Church that is in Rome. Paul wrote a famous epistle to this Church...

Interesting. Interesting that you say that there are four main views of Revelation as a book, and that this thread is devoted to the dicussion of those views, but that here the one Revelation passage that is overtly, expressly mysterious (cf. the thread's title) there is only one possible...