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    Allegory/Symbolism in Genesis 1

    No. Space is not a thing, it is an idea. Same goes for time. It's an idea and does not exist ontologically. Space is a convention of language that is used to convey information about the location and movement of things relative to other things. Time is a convention of language that is used to...
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    Allegory/Symbolism in Genesis 1

    Stripes answer doesn't work. At least not as stated. First of all, it should be pointed out that we aren't told what the source of the light was and so we really don't know and so this is all speculation. That doesn't mean its a waste of time because it's valuable to think things through and...
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    Allegory/Symbolism in Genesis 1

    It seems I misunderstood you. Sorry. That's what happens when I try to cram in one more post when I'm really out of time and should be headed to work in the morning!
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    Allegory/Symbolism in Genesis 1

    The one has nothing to do with the other and it would NOT be consistent (i.e. rational) to take every passage of scripture "wooden and literally" as you put it. The passages that are allegorical are allegorical and the ones that are symbolic are symbolic and the ones that are literal are...
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    Doctrine of Unconditional Election

    Better than you do! I've been doing this for thirty years. You aren't ever going to say a word that I have heard a thousand times.
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    Faith to believe on Christ !

    Once again, b57 rips a single sentence out of its context so that it can be used as a pretext for his doctrine which is hostile to God's character. If all you do is simply read two sentences before verse 48, you find a verse that b57 wouldn't quote if someone put a gun to his head because it...
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    Faith to believe on Christ !

    That isn't what it says, b47! Christ IS the seed of Abraham! He is THE seed. I say it again, you have no concept at all of what "the Body of Christ" means or what it is. You have no idea of what it means to "put on Christ" and you haven't any idea what it means when Paul declares... Galatians...
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    Faith to believe on Christ !

    Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “And to your Seed,” who is Christ. B57 has no concept at all of what "the Body of Christ" means or what it is. He has no idea of what it means to "put on Christ". He...
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    How does one determine, using the scientific method, that the earth is billions of years old?

    The more of his silliness I read, the more I notice that he is willing to direct whatever hostility toward the scriptures is necessary in order to maintain the atheistic worldview (i.e. Big Bang Cosmology and Darwinism). He isn't three inches away from divorcing himself from Genesis altogether...
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    Doctrine of Unconditional Election

    This passage, which is incredibly lengthy in comparison to what b57 usually quotes, is still ripped from its context! Well, actually, that isn't quite accurate. The passage itself gives the context, its just that b57 ignores that context. Peter is talking about Israel, which is made undeniably...
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    How does one determine, using the scientific method, that the earth is billions of years old?

    By the way, iouae's complete lack of even acknowledging my argument in the above post as well as what I presented in post #364, is his tacit admission that he has not only lost this debate but that he isn't interested in either debating nor in being persuaded an inch away from the wacky beliefs...
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    How does one determine, using the scientific method, that the earth is billions of years old?

    That post was a lie. You're a liar! You knew that post was 100% B.S. when you wrote it. What the hell are you even doing here? What am I doing here?! Good bye!
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    How does one determine, using the scientific method, that the earth is billions of years old?

    Did I understand this argument correctly? You're saying that the refraction of light would have occurred before the flood and thus rainbows would have existed before the flood, therefore its reasonable to think that Neanderthals and Homo habilis lived on Earth before Genesis chapter one? Or is...
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    How does one determine, using the scientific method, that the earth is billions of years old?

    This doesn't really effect your point because what you said is generally true but, just for the sake of accuracy, epiphytes (e.g. Orchids) and broyophytes (e.g. mosses) do actually absorb water (and other nutrients) from the air.
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    How does one determine, using the scientific method, that the earth is billions of years old?

    Come on! Give me a break, will ya? There is no amount of relative motion that can create the differences in Z values within what is essentially same celestial object! There is a .0362 difference between two of the Z values in that image I posted. That's a difference of something like 500,000...
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    Before Time Began?!

    Something akin to the relationship between 'cube' and 'cubic', right? I've learned that 'aion' is where we get the English word 'eon' from. In fact, it seems to be the very same word that's just been transliterated. I've also learned that 'aionios' (or any of the words related to 'aion') does...
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    Before Time Began?!

    I agree. Aion is a word related to aionios (G166) but are you suggesting that they are synonyms? If not, and your translation is correct, why didn't Paul use 'aion' instead of 'aionios'?
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    Allegory/Symbolism in Genesis 1

    Liar.
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    How does one determine, using the scientific method, that the earth is billions of years old?

    The red shift = distance theory is actually still just that, a theory. There are several anomalous red shifts that would seem to suggest that it isn't as iron clad an idea as you would like to think it is. What? No, I am not talking about the expansion of the universe. I'm talking about God...
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