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No, our disagreement was based solely on the completely obvious meaning of the single word "death", which is hardly anything like "mortal". ;) That's what it seems like, anyway.

I'm not even sure why it matters to him. There are plenty of people who struggle over what it meant for Jesus to become a man. You and I haven't always agreed on that, even.

You can't die if you're immortal. That's what immortal means. The scriptures you gave only prove He was mortal, because He died, however He might have done so. What you're suggesting is that anyone who might commit suicide could be counted as immortal, because no one took their lives away from...

The promise of the Messiah was for the restoration of life from the dead. That promise was made in Genesis 3, before Israel existed. [Gen 3:15 KJV] And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel...

Not true at all. Explaining to someone they can be saved from their sins and live forevermore doesn't require the word grace at all.

But it wasn't missing the most important element, that the Messiah had come. Sure, they didn't know all the details about how that would play out, including how it would bring in the Gentiles, but it was good news, because from Jesus would come everlasting life. The gospel isn't just about...

I don't understand how you can say that Jesus, who was still immortal, could die. Immortal means you can't die, despite the recent spate of super-hero movies suggesting otherwise.

Don't be so stuck in your systematic that you don't read the text. They were seeing the gospel played out before, the good news that Jesus overcame death. They didn't have to hear it being taught.

Jesus, newly raised from the dead, is talking to them, breathing on them, eating with them, showing them His scars, telling them about receiving the Holy Spirit, and you say they only know about the kingdom?

I always thought they remitted sins by sharing the gospel, but I admit that the answer isn't fully compelling.

Did you find other scriptures than the ones you already quoted? Because they didn't "literally" say that the testimony of Jesus is the 10 commandments. Just like the other verses we talked about didn't "explicitly" say anything about you, Gary, specifically. That's part of His testimony, sure...

It looked like the lady at the end of the line at least thought about leaving. Hopefully she left before she made it to the front of the line.

RD responded to a post of mine replying to Dan P, talking about what Peter gave to Cornelius. Nothing I said was intended to say that we must do works of righteousness in order to be saved. That is the gospel of grace that applies to all men, Jew and Gentile. Peter gave that gospel to...

Are you saying that anytime the bible says "testimony", it is always talking about the exact same thing, the testimony of Jesus? Yes, I believe there is a connection between the "testimony of Jesus" and the ark of the covenant, as well as the contents of the ark. But that doesn't mean the law...

If the testimony of Jesus is "the spirit of prophecy", what exactly is "the testimony of Jesus"? Isn't it the same as "the word of Jesus"? Don't we have the words of Jesus written for us in the gospels and in Revelation, as well as in Acts, the letters of Paul, and the general epistles? That...

Maybe that's why the two witnesses in Revelation need fire to come out of their mouths to consume their foes.

That's gotta be the absolute worst explanation of any gospel I've ever heard. Do you not even listen to Paul? [Rom 12:1 NKJV] I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, [which is] your reasonable service...

But they thought they did, Gary. That's my point. They were willing to take what they thought they knew about God and the law and put it on a higher level than what Jesus told them, than what the bible told them. I don't want to diminish any of your experiences, but no matter what you tell me...

So what I think you're saying is that we are not to fear God or work righteousness? Is that part of the grace of God? You are saying that we are free to be like this: "lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural...

Can you quote scripture that says "until God gave it to Paul"? I submit that it was hid until Paul's time, but obviously Peter was preaching the gospel to Cornelius. He certainly wasn't preaching your 'gospel of the kingdom' to him. And surely you don't think Peter was preaching Paul's gospel...