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I think there's a point to @Clete's assertion, in that Jesus is God, but no longer in exactly the same way as the Father is God. He is a creature and creator at the same time...and cannot ever NOT be a creature again. Oil and water can be unmixed. Even two types of flour could be unmixed. But...

I think you're over-reacting (again). Even Lon's link explains that Mormons (at least the one writing the article) don't accept Open Theism: "If you claim to be an Open Theist then you accept the perception of other knowledgeable people, at least those that have an inkling of what Open Theists...

Right, but the question is formed in the same way as Gen 3:9. [Gen 3:9 KJV] And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where [art] thou? [Gen 4:9 KJV] And the LORD said unto Cain, Where [is] Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: [Am] I my brother's keeper? And Lon was bringing...

Yet, since we are talking about the character of water in a glass, we don't say, "God infinitely knows about the air in the glass." Seems like a personal problem, to me. But the point is that there is a limitation to "everything" when we are talking about "what exists". So when we read "by Him...

Did you read it? [Gen 4:9 KJV] And the LORD said unto Cain, Where [is] Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: [Am] I my brother's keeper? If, as some Open Theists say, God asking Adam where he was after he ate of the tree means that God did not know where Adam was, then when God asks Cain...

@Lon @Clete Compare Adam's whereabouts with Abel's, chap 4.

If the two things have become one in Christ, which makes sense, then you can't really have one of those things in conflict with the other, else He's conflicted.

The other thing He emptied Himself of was the ability to live forever...His immortality. Maybe "ability to live forever" is the wrong way to say it. More like "inability to die, ever".

Yes! Yes! Not to derail, but aren't these conflicting things? 1. That He was immortal (could not die), and 2. That He was mortal (He could die). And after He took on flesh, His human body, He had something that made Him different than He was before, His mortality. Yep. Two things that apply...

It seems that if God (even putting aside the trinity part of the equation for now) became something else while still remaining God, then He must have added something, in this case "man-ness" or "human nature". I'm not completely sure that you can say "It doesn't take anything from His deity,"...

Good! Now let's go back to how this part of the conversation got started: I said: And you responded: You said above that Jesus became a man. Here's a definition of "mortal" from Merriam-Webster: Human Obviously that doesn't mean that all mortal creatures are human, but it does mean that all...

I'm not the one who keeps using the word I'm defining in the definition.

Don't be afraid. Just spell it out. What do you mean by "human nature"?

I don't think everybody that says "human nature" is talking about the same thing, so I'd like to know what you mean when you say it. It isn't that easy a question, is it?

Right, but what do you count as "human nature"?

And what is included in the human nature He took on?

How many times has He taken on a human nature ?

'Some common synonyms of righteous are ethical, moral, noble, and virtuous.' Merriam-Webster And moral. All of which are immoral. Only walking in the spirit, instead of in the flesh, enables us to live moral and righteous lives.

So Jesus was immortal, then He became mortal, right? He laid aside some of His eternally-held characteristics to become flesh. Jesus then died, and rise again in immortality, something that will happen to us, too, if we believe in Him. If we believe in Him, then we will also want to do as He...

Was Jesus immortal before He was crucified? Are you immortal?