Jesus is God

[God's Truth]

Jesus is I am.
Jesus was God speaking in the Old Testament.
Jesus is the Word of God and is God.
Jesus is the Spirit.
The Spirit is God.

All that can be shown from the scriptures.

 

[God's Truth]

Jesus is the I am:


John 8:58 "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"

John 18:6 When Jesus said, "I am he," they drew back and fell to the ground.



Jesus is God speaking in the Old Testament:

Revelation 7:7Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Revelation 7:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.


~THAT'S GOD in the Old Testament---THE ONE THEY PIERCED AND THE ALPHA AND OMEGA, THE FIRST AND THE LAST.~

 

[God's Truth]

~Jesus is the WORD of God and IS GOD.~


John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

 

[God's Truth]

Jesus is the Spirit.
The Spirit is God.

1 Corinthians 3:16 Don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple and that God's Spirit lives in you?

John 4:24 For God is Spirit,

2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

2 Corinthians 3:18 And we, who with unveiled faces all reflect the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into His image with intensifying glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.

 

[7djengo7]

So how is it possible that some believe God is a Trinity?

But the problem is that the Bible is ambiguous about the nature of God.

By telling us that "the Bible is ambiguous about the nature of God", you are telling us that the Bible says both:

• God is a Trinity
• God is not a Trinity

So, bear in mind, Stuu, that whenever you claim the Bible does not say that God is a Trinity, you've already shot off your own foot in that claim by your admission, here, that the Bible does say that God is a Trinity.

 

[genuineoriginal]

The Bible teaches the Trinity.

The Bible has never taught the Trinity.

No one who does not believe in the Trinity is a Christian.

Many Christians did not even know about the Trinity before it was invented by the Roman Catholic church.

 

[Right Divider]

The Bible has never taught the Trinity.

The Bible teaches that the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are all God AND that there is one God. So call it what you want. We Christians call that the trinity.

Many Christians did not even know about the Trinity before it was invented by the Roman Catholic church.

Fake news.

 

[genuineoriginal]

I'm not arguing on the basis of popularity (or the lack thereof) anyway. The number of people who believe something has nothing to do with whether it is true or not.

It doesn't matter how many people falsely claim that the Bible teaches that God is a Trinity, because there will always be people who can read that can see that the Bible does not teach the Trinity.

you have already conceded the debate and don't know it because if there can two members of the Godhead, there can be three.

There are many gods, just as Paul said, but the Father is the only one we are to acknowledge as God and Jesus is to be our Lord.

1 Corinthians 8:5-6 5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) 6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Actually, the version of the Trinity doctrine that the church most often teaches is quite different from that which the bible teaches and cannot be defended biblically or rationally because it is intentionally irrational and is always defended as "a doctrine of "faith", as you suggest.

Now that is something I can agree with.

 

[genuineoriginal]

You seem to think that Jesus is God....actually I think the evidence shows Jesus is not even the Messiah or Christ.

Before Christianity, the Jewish scholars believed in both a Mashiach ben Yosef and a Mashiach ben David.
Jesus fulfilled all the prophecies about a Messiah that were attributed to Mashiach ben Yosef.
Jesus did not fulfill the prophecies about a Messiah that were attributed to Mashiach ben David, but He said He would return as King after going on a journey to receive His kingdom.

But, that is a topic best discussed on another thread.

 

[genuineoriginal]

Where does Jesus ever say He is not God? Don't bother looking because it isn't there.

Where does Jesus ever say He is God? Don't bother looking because it isn't there.

 

[genuineoriginal]

You are a Christian only if you believe Jesus is God and He has provided indisputable proof of who He is. It is contained in His word. If someone wants to find him, he has provided the way to that end.

That is weird.
All the Bibles I have looked at say that we have to believe that Jesus is the Son of God and that God sent His only begotten Son.

 

[Right Divider]

It doesn't matter how many people falsely claim that the Bible teaches that God is a Trinity, because there will always be people who can read that can see that the Bible does not teach the Trinity.

Non-sequitur. Your response had nothing to do with what you quoted Clete saying.

There are many gods, just as Paul said, but the Father is the only one we are to acknowledge as God and Jesus is to be our Lord.

1 Corinthians 8:5-6 5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) 6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Why did the Lord NOT correct Thomas?

Joh 20:28-29 KJV And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. (29) Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.​

Give us a real answer to that.

 

[genuineoriginal]

By telling us that "the Bible is ambiguous about the nature of God", you are telling us that the Bible says both:

• God is a Trinity
• God is not a Trinity

• 
  You need to go back to school, since "the Bible is ambiguous about the nature of God" does not mean the Bible says both:
  • God is a Trinity
  • God is not a Trinity
  It means that:
  • The Bible does not say God is a Trinity
  • The Bible does not say God is not a Trinity
  The fact is that the Bible is totally silent on even the existence of a Trinity.

 

[7djengo7]

The Bible has never taught the Trinity.

Oh. So, you're saying that the Bible has never taught that the Father is not the Son?

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Many Christians did not even know about the Trinity before it was invented by the Roman Catholic church.

Many non-Christians--anti-Bible heretics--such as yourself, do not even consider the truth that they (you) are not Christians.

It's funny, too, that you've just admitted that the Bible never taught against the Trinity. If the Bible had taught against the Trinity, then how can your so-called "many Christians" have failed to know--FROM THE BIBLE--about the Trinity?

 

[genuineoriginal]

Non-sequitur. Your response had nothing to do with what you quoted Clete saying.

Clete said, "The number of people who believe something has nothing to do with whether it is true or not."
My response is to agree with that statement and expand it to the often repeated claims that the Bible teaches that God is a Trinity.

It doesn't matter how many people falsely claim that the Bible teaches that God is a Trinity, because there will always be people who can read that can see that the Bible does not teach the Trinity.

Why did the Lord NOT correct Thomas?

Joh 20:28-29 KJV And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. (29) Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.​

Give us a real answer to that.

You seem to have missed the answer just two verses later:

John 20:31 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

If you don't believe Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, you have no business calling yourself a Christian.

 

[genuineoriginal]

Oh. So, you're saying that the Bible has never taught that the Father is not the Son?

Did your biology classes teach you that a son can be his own father?

you've just admitted that the Bible never taught against the Trinity.

The Bible never taught against Super Sayan Goku.
By your own logic, that means that Super Sayan Goku is real because the Bible did not say he is not real.

Your logic is garbage.

 

[Right Divider]

You seem to have missed the answer just two verses later:

John 20:31 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

If you don't believe Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, you have no business calling yourself a Christian.

I asked for a REAL answer and you don't even get the point. Thomas called Jesus BOTH Lord and God. If Jesus not God, then that is BLASPHEME. And yet Jesus said NOTHING of the sort. Why not?

Do you think that Jesus would just ignore blaspheme from one of the twelve?

 

[Bright Raven]

Where does Jesus ever say He is God? Don't bother looking because it isn't there.

Does He say that He and the Father are one?

 

[7djengo7]

Where does Jesus ever say He is God? Don't bother looking because it isn't there.

By your word, "God", do you mean God the Father? Indeed, Jesus never says He is God the Father.

If, by your word, "God", you do not mean God the Father, then whom (if anyone) do you mean by it?

 

[Bright Raven]

That is weird.
All the Bibles I have looked at say that we have to believe that Jesus is the Son of God and that God sent His only begotten Son.

Does He ever make himself equal with God?