This is what emboldened white supremacists look like

annabenedetti

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You can also read the updated indictment there. It doesn't contain any new charges but It provides more details and clearer language than the old one.

They had to provide the superseding indictment because the original indictment had problems, and the judge had to remind prosecutors that (citing
Berger v. United States, 1935):

The United States Attorney is the representative not of an ordinary party to a
controversy, but of a sovereignty whose obligation to govern impartially is
as compelling as its obligation to govern at all; and whose interest, therefore,
in a criminal prosecution is not that it shall win a case, but that justice shall
be done. As such, he is in a peculiar and very definite sense the servant of
the law, the twofold aim of which is that guilt shall not escape or innocence
suffer. He may prosecute with earnestness and vigor—indeed, he should do
so. But, while he may strike hard blows, he is not at liberty to strike foul ones.



Some additional reading, if you're interested:

Federal prosecutors at the Justice Department are stepping on their own toes trying to fix their indictment against the Southern Poverty Law Center.
... there were considerable problems with the original indictment, which legal experts posited could make it difficult to win in court.​
This week, the DOJ's director of public affairs Emily Covington shared a superseding indictment with the media that was supposed to have fixed the errors. Instead, Covington made a grave error herself by publishing a draft version of the document and, in turn, potentially violating grand jury secrecy rules, national security journalist Marcy Wheeler wrote on her EmptyWheel blog.​
The superseding indictment also warps the rationale behind the charges, arguing that they do not stem from the general practice of paying informants but rather that the SPLC had violated the law by failing to notify its donors of the operational mechanics of its informant network. But, as former U.S. Attorney Joyce Vance argued, the SPLC didn't need to.​
"DOJ may find itself with egg on its face when it comes to donors' views of how SPLC used their money," Vance wrote Thursday in her own assessment of the new document. "They weren't obligated to publish a roadmap explaining exactly how they infiltrate dangerous organizations. Journalists do not disclose confidential sources. Civil rights groups tracking violent extremists aren't obligated to expose their work, which would compromise it.​
"This isn't a case like the 'We Build The Wall' fraud Steve Bannon and others were charged in, after they promised not to take donor money for personal use and then did," Vance noted.​
The SPLC was founded in 1971 in order to combat white supremacist groups after the Civil Rights Movement. Its activity was never a secret to the government—in fact, the SPLC frequently coordinated with local and federal law enforcement, sharing its findings in order to dismantle hateful institutions.​
 

VladtheDestroyer

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They had to provide the superseding indictment because the original indictment had problems, and the judge had to remind prosecutors that (citing
Berger v. United States, 1935):

The United States Attorney is the representative not of an ordinary party to a
controversy, but of a sovereignty whose obligation to govern impartially is
as compelling as its obligation to govern at all; and whose interest, therefore,
in a criminal prosecution is not that it shall win a case, but that justice shall
be done. As such, he is in a peculiar and very definite sense the servant of
the law, the twofold aim of which is that guilt shall not escape or innocence
suffer. He may prosecute with earnestness and vigor—indeed, he should do
so. But, while he may strike hard blows, he is not at liberty to strike foul ones.



Some additional reading, if you're interested:

Federal prosecutors at the Justice Department are stepping on their own toes trying to fix their indictment against the Southern Poverty Law Center.
... there were considerable problems with the original indictment, which legal experts posited could make it difficult to win in court.​
This week, the DOJ's director of public affairs Emily Covington shared a superseding indictment with the media that was supposed to have fixed the errors. Instead, Covington made a grave error herself by publishing a draft version of the document and, in turn, potentially violating grand jury secrecy rules, national security journalist Marcy Wheeler wrote on her EmptyWheel blog.​
The superseding indictment also warps the rationale behind the charges, arguing that they do not stem from the general practice of paying informants but rather that the SPLC had violated the law by failing to notify its donors of the operational mechanics of its informant network. But, as former U.S. Attorney Joyce Vance argued, the SPLC didn't need to.​
"DOJ may find itself with egg on its face when it comes to donors' views of how SPLC used their money," Vance wrote Thursday in her own assessment of the new document. "They weren't obligated to publish a roadmap explaining exactly how they infiltrate dangerous organizations. Journalists do not disclose confidential sources. Civil rights groups tracking violent extremists aren't obligated to expose their work, which would compromise it.​
"This isn't a case like the 'We Build The Wall' fraud Steve Bannon and others were charged in, after they promised not to take donor money for personal use and then did," Vance noted.​
The SPLC was founded in 1971 in order to combat white supremacist groups after the Civil Rights Movement. Its activity was never a secret to the government—in fact, the SPLC frequently coordinated with local and federal law enforcement, sharing its findings in order to dismantle hateful institutions.​

Annabenedetti, most of us on this forum already understand that people who support the SPLC, aren't going to actually care if the money is ultimately used to manufacture racial hatred. Right? No one on the planet is expecting you to care about that.

Have you noticed that yet? Why do you think that is?
 
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annabenedetti

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Annabenedetti, most of us on this forum already understand that people who support the SPLC, aren't going to actually care if the money is ultimately used to manufacture racial hatred.

It's not about not caring if the money is used to manufacture racial hatred. It's caring that the government is lying about the SPLC's intent.
Do you have anything to say about the judge reminding prosecutors they had a duty to tell the truth? Or that the charges aren't about paying informants, it's about manufacturing a false narrative that the SPLC had to notify their donors, when they did not?

Right? No one on the planet is expecting you to care about that.
Have you noticed that yet? Why do you think that is?

Well, "nobody on the planet" is a bit of an overstatement, considering the half dozen or so regulars left here. Yes, I'm aware I'm outnumbered, but there used to be a lot more members back in the day here who'd agree with me. I just want to provide 'the rest of the story' for anyone who might be interested.
 
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VladtheDestroyer

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It's not caring if the money is used to manufacture racial hatred. It's caring that the government is lying about the SPLC's intent.

Right! See there are 2 different stories here. One is basically that people don't trust the government, that's nothing new. And I can't say I blame em! None of us do. JudgeRightly doesn't trust the government, Nick M doesn't trust the government. You don't trust them either and neither do I. We all get it!

But there is another story here that only some of us get. That only some of us are concerned about. And it's something that supporters of the SPLC are not concerned about..because they don't care. See what I'm getting at?

Well, "nobody on the planet" is a bit of an overstatement, considering the half dozen or so regulars left here.

Well has anybody on the planet confided in you that they are not going to support the SPLC anymore after finding out they gave the KKK a million dollars?
 

annabenedetti

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Right! See there are 2 different stories here. One is basically that people don't trust the government, that's nothing new. And I can't say I blame em! None of us do. JudgeRightly doesn't trust the government, Nick M doesn't trust the government. You don't trust them either and neither do I. We all get it!

Then maybe take what the government is alleging about the slpc with a grain of salt? Or maybe consider it from a different vantage point?

But there is another story here that only some of us get. That only some of us are concerned about. And it's something that supporters of the SPLC are not concerned about..because they don't care. See what I'm getting at?

Because what you believe is not what I believe. You believe the slpc intended to "manufacture racial hatred." I don't - any more than law enforcement intends more crime by paying confidential informants for information. So it's not a matter of not caring. It's a matter of what is factual and what is not.

Well has anybody on the planet confided in you that they are not going to support the SPLC anymore after finding out they gave the KKK a million dollars?

As soon as I have the attention of everybody on the planet, I'll let you know.

Again: Do you have anything to say about the judge reminding prosecutors they had a duty to tell the truth? Or that the charges aren't about paying informants, it's about manufacturing a false narrative that the SPLC had to notify their donors, when they did not have to notify them?
 

annabenedetti

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F-37 deserves particular attention, because it really demonstrates the fraud DOJ is engaged in. F-37 was the first person introduced in the original indictment, described unequivocally as “a member of the online leadership chat group that planned the 2017 “Unite the Right” event in Charlottesville, Virginia and attended the event at the direction of the SPLC. DOJ used F-37’s role in Unite the Right to get right wingers riled up about fedsurrection, disclaiming the very real organizing right wing extremists did to set up the Charlottesville rally.

In the superseding indictment, though, DOJ buries F-37, making him the sixth informant described. Perhaps that’s because the description now begins by admitting, “F-37 was not involved in an extremist organization before F-37 reached out the SPLC seeking employment.”​
That is, F-37 — the cornerstone of the first indictment — turns out to be precisely what everyone knows SPLC always used, informants, people who got a job with SPLC working as an informant.​
This is critically important because one point of this exercise has always been to claim that SPLC fraudulently juiced their fundraising with their very important Unite the Right reporting. And indeed, the superseding indictment adds language to that effect:​
The “Unite the Right” rally led to massive fundraising windfall for the SPLC with open-source media reporting that the SPLC more than doubled their previous year’s reported revenue from private and corporate donations following the “Unite the Right” rally.​
In reality, however, this superseding indictment confirms things worked exactly like they were supposed to. SPLC cultivated an infiltrator for three years before Unite the Right (and kept paying him for six years afterwards), and because they did that, SPLC gave donors precisely what they wanted: insight into the far right surge that coincided with Trump’s installation.​
 
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