Which commandments do you think Jesus is referencing here?:
“If you love Me, keep My commandments.
Bible Gateway passage: John 14:15 - New King James Version
Jesus Promises Another Helper - “If you love Me, keep My commandments.
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Which commandments do you think Jesus is referencing here?:
“If you love Me, keep My commandments.
I prefer to focus on the greatest commandment. Why wouldn't you?
Which commandments do you think Jesus is referencing here?:
“If you love Me, keep My commandments.
Bible Gateway passage: John 14:15 - New King James Version
Jesus Promises Another Helper - “If you love Me, keep My commandments.www.biblegateway.com
"On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”
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What does AI tell you about the dynasties of Islam?
Does he tell you what he tells me?
If you loved your neighbor you would not rob him. This does not make your case.
Idolater
"Matthew 16:18-19" Dispensationalist (Catholic) χρ
So you are obligated to not rob him, yes?
Can you explain what this is all about?
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That's the LAW.
Deut 6:4-5 (AKJV/PCE)
(6:4) Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God [is] one LORD: (6:5) And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Lev 19:18 (AKJV/PCE)
(19:18) ¶ Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I [am] the LORD.
Paul taught that NONE of the law is required for a member of the body of Christ to be justified.
Rom 3:28 (AKJV/PCE)
(3:28) Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
This continues to show your ignorance. You're not alone. Most of Churchianity falls into this poor thinking. The "four gospels" were still old testament books.
The "Jesus story" did NOT stop after His death and resurrection. Paul was the LAST person to see Jesus. Jesus gave Paul instructions that He did NOT give to anyone else. That you reject that is a shame.
No, it would not. That is YOUR lack of reason and logic saying that.
Jesus send Paul.
Acts 9:15-16 (AKJV/PCE)
(9:15) But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel: (9:16) For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.
I only reject your interpretation of what Paul said. He had to deal with Judaizers who insisted that gentiles had to adopt all Jewish customs in order to be a Christian.
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That is terribly vague. That's how people that cannot discuss facts work.
Irrelevant.
I noticed that you IGNORED almost everything that I wrote.
Did you not know that loving God and your neighbor is in the law?
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I replied to what YOU posted.
So just throw the rest of the Bible out, then?
Sorry, that doesn't work. If you hold to Christianity, then you can't just pick and choose what it teaches.
Clete said "Jesus taught obedience to the Law of Moses. Paul forbids it."
You denied this claim.
I posted SCRIPTURE that shows Jesus telling people to obey the law.
Now you're trying to weasel your way out of the corner you've painted yourself into by claiming "I want to focus on only specific words Jesus said."
Jesus taught that one must keep the law if he loved Him.
“If you love Me, keep My commandments.
Bible Gateway passage: John 14:15 - New King James Version
Jesus Promises Another Helper - “If you love Me, keep My commandments.
And then He SPECIFICALLY ties "loving Him" to "keeping His commandments."
He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.”
Bible Gateway passage: John 14:21 - New King James Version
He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.”
Not once, but twice!
“As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love. If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.
Bible Gateway passage: John 15:9-10 - New King James Version
Love and Joy Perfected - “As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love. If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.
So when Jesus said:
Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is first and great commandment. And second like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”
Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 22:37-40 - New King James Version
Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”
He said it within the context of His command to "Keep my commandments if you love Me."
You can't just ignore the context because it inconveniences you and ruins your argument.
Idolater
"Matthew 16:18-19" Dispensationalist (Catholic) χρ
Here is your thought of the day. You will fail. I already know, but here it is.
2 men have a note to themselves in their car. The first says "Love your wife today". The other says "Don't commit adultery today". Both wives find the notes. Which wife is made and why? This won't help you, but others will put it in their back pocket as a great example. It is not my original thought either.
Blindness.
I don't care what "most people" do or don't do. "Most people" can be wrong.
You have two and only two choices.
1. Paul's ministry and gospel was unique and received by direct divine revelation from the risen Jesus Christ.
or...
2. Paul was a heretic and his letters aught not ever have been included in scripture and we should all be practicing Messianic Jews.'
Stupidity.
You were going fine for all of two posts and then you just turn off your mind and start spouting literal stupidity.
What other apostle other than Paul told people to "follow me"?
Why disengage? I don't understand what it is people are doing here if they aren't interested in discussing theology in some depth. Not that you're alone. Most everyone skips out just as soon as the surface gets scratched on any topic they don't already agree with.
BORING!
"weasel his way out"So just throw the rest of the Bible out, then?
Sorry, that doesn't work. If you hold to Christianity, then you can't just pick and choose what it teaches.
Clete said "Jesus taught obedience to the Law of Moses. Paul forbids it."
You denied this claim.
I posted SCRIPTURE that shows Jesus telling people to obey the law.
Now you're trying to weasel your way out of the corner you've painted yourself into by claiming "I want to focus on only specific words Jesus said."
Jesus taught that one must keep the law if he loved Him.
“If you love Me, keep My commandments.
Bible Gateway passage: John 14:15 - New King James Version
Jesus Promises Another Helper - “If you love Me, keep My commandments.
And then He SPECIFICALLY ties "loving Him" to "keeping His commandments."
He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.”
Bible Gateway passage: John 14:21 - New King James Version
He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.”www.biblegateway.com
Not once, but twice!
“As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love. If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.
Bible Gateway passage: John 15:9-10 - New King James Version
Love and Joy Perfected - “As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love. If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.www.biblegateway.com
So when Jesus said:
Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is first and great commandment. And second like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”
Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 22:37-40 - New King James Version
Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”www.biblegateway.com
He said it within the context of His command to "Keep my commandments if you love Me."
You can't just ignore the context because it inconveniences you and ruins your argument.
That's exactly the perfect phrase for what he's doing. He doesn't care whether his doctrine is true or not. He doesn't even care whether it makes any sense. He just believes it and that's that.
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David and Kim Conley, owners, By the Book, say, “As we looked at the future of our company, we realized that we didn’t have the resources needed to continue serving our clients the way we believe they deserve. So we decided to look for a partner whose mission was to serve the Church with their tools and who made customer service a priority. We found exactly that with ACS Technologies. With over 80 individuals in their US-based call center and products designed to grow and develop to meet the ever-changing needs of the Church, we have found ACST to be an incredible company to work with.”
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