I Lived Through Collapse. America Is Already There.

Idolater

"Matthew 16:18-19" Dispensationalist (Catholic) χρ
Did you write this? If so...

You say all this as though we didn't spend 4 years under a president who didn't know who he was half the time and whose administration didn't hesitate to use any resource it could to try to bring Trump down for no other reason than he was a threat to their hold on power.

You say all of this as though the left hasn't been wielding power without reserve for the last several terms.

And now that the opponents of your preferred political party hold the power and are wielding it to remove your preferred party members from power, in the name of cleaning out corruption, you start complaining? Because they're using the power that they were given?

🤦

President Biden wasn't the acting President for years. We still don't know who was calling the shots, and it's very good news that we got him and his party out of the White House.
 

Idolater

"Matthew 16:18-19" Dispensationalist (Catholic) χρ
There is no numbing litany of bad news unless you're stupid enough to listen to CNN MSNBC and the other spreaders of propaganda who were outed as liars on June 27th 2024 when the whole world discovered that they had been lying to us for 4 years about the incompetence of the dementia patient in the Oval Office.

For those of us who are glad about what's going on every day brings good news. Revelations and exposure of democrat corruption to a degree that we all suspected but never thought would be brought to light.

Cable news will be dead in five years. Podcasting is in the process of taking over that space.
 

Idolater

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14th Amendment states all "persons" are entitled to due process and equal protection. Other clauses of the same Section 1 fo the 14th Amendment use the word "citizens" but not the clauses dealing with due process and equal protection. Standard legal interpretation would suggest that if Congress wished to limit due process and equal protection to "citizens" it would have done so.
And I have no idea what Canada or Mexico would do---but we are not in Canada or Mexico.

This is being hashed out in real time, and President Trump's administration is obeying the courts.
 

Idolater

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Due process for somebody who is in the country illegally is for them to be removed. Just like JR said. That is due process.

Maybe, maybe not, but the problem Trump is trying to solve is unprecedented, so it calls for unprecedented remedy. As I said, he's abiding by the courts and they're working together on how best to address this problem that his predecessor caused.
 

Idolater

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Hunh, I live in New England. Not England. And your right to carry a weapon, if it exists at all, comes from the Constitution.

No, the right to keep and bear arms is in the Constitution because the right is pre-political, and our Constitution is moral and just, merely reflecting the moral reality that we each have a right to defend ourselves, individually, and collectively.
 

Idolater

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I dont care what Jesus said.
It is really interesting that in many countries your post #10 calling for the replacement of our governmental system would have you thrown in the hoosgow. the reason you can even say that is your Constitutional right to free speech. Although Donald from Queens might not want you to have that right you still do.
Your desire for a Constitutional monarchy reminds me of a scene in the Holy Grail. The whole idea is based on widhful thinking and an absurd desire for human nature to be different than it is
But feel free to explain to me just how this Constitutional monarchy might work

Which party is it who approves of people getting fired for not using "pronouns" again? Which party approves of people being "de-platformed" for not using "pronouns"? Which party "might not want you to have" the right of free speech again?
 

Idolater

"Matthew 16:18-19" Dispensationalist (Catholic) χρ
I notice no explanation of how your Constitutional monarchy works, nor any acknowledgement of the fact that it is the US Constitution that enables you to criticize the government and seek its replacement.
I was created when my parents had sex.
I do not need to repent. and scary stores of hellfire are not likely to make me think othewise. I've read the book, I've listened to priests, preachers etc. I've gone to Bible studies

If you believe "All men are created equal", you are cosigning a distinctively Christian idea, whether you like it or not.
 

Idolater

"Matthew 16:18-19" Dispensationalist (Catholic) χρ
Where it comes to the current administration in America then there's too much nuttiness to address even just with Trump alone. At one stage it was almost funny to see some of the shenanigans and unhinged rants but unfortunately there's so many enablers and sycophants willing to indulge the man child that it's impossible to keep track of the crazy...I feel sorry for the sane in America who have to live through this on a daily basis and are probably wondering just how in the heck the current state of affairs actually came into being.

I mean, you're British. Talk about glass houses.
 

annabenedetti

like marbles on glass
Where it comes to the current administration in America then there's too much nuttiness to address even just with Trump alone. At one stage it was almost funny to see some of the shenanigans and unhinged rants but unfortunately there's so many enablers and sycophants willing to indulge the man child that it's impossible to keep track of the crazy...I feel sorry for the sane in America who have to live through this on a daily basis and are probably wondering just how in the heck the current state of affairs actually came into being.

Some of it was planned (Project 2025), some of it's bizarrely and theatrically incompetent (just about every Cabinet pick) and some of it's evil (Stephen Miller). American xenophobia/Manifest Destiny/Teapot Dome Scandal/Gilded Age/Watergate back for this century's manifestation.


Some people reading this partial list will understandably balk, thinking that Trump cannot do some of these things without Congress or point out that some seem obviously unconstitutional. But those arguments mean very little anymore. The Republican-led Congress has abdicated its constitutional prerogatives in deference to Trump. The far-right majority on the Supreme Court has repeatedly flouted bedrock legal principles (often with no explanation) in furtherance of Trump’s agenda. Neither of those branches will save us.​
 

annabenedetti

like marbles on glass
ICE is a disgrace or at least it should be to anyone with an ounce of empathy and critical thinking skills. I'm no fan of South Park but it's hardly surprising their current episodes have gone viral including with Kristi Noem. Btw, did you know there's such a thing as the "Mar-a-Lago face"?


The trend has been described as a status symbol and "must-have accessory" among Donald Trump's inner circle, signaling wealth, privilege, and alignment with Trumpism. Commentators and surgeons have characterized the look as engineered, "overdone," sometimes "tacky," and have linked it to the aesthetics and performative aspects of Trump-era politics. Typical procedures required to achieve the look include facial surgery, fillers, and cosmetic dental work, with costs estimated at over $90,000. Notable public figures described as having the Mar-a-Lago face include Ivanka Trump, Matt Gaetz, Kimberly Guilfoyle, Kristi Noem, and Lara Trump.

A symbol of Trumpism? Fake news surely!

Yes, unfortunately familiar with the cosplaying ICE Barbie. What an embarrassment.
 

Avajs

Active member
If you believe "All men are created equal", you are cosigning a distinctively Christian idea, whether you like it or not.
No, I think that attitude is the result of the Enlightenment, at least in the West. Don't think that historically Christianity agreed all men were equal---unless you were an aristocratic white male and even then you were often subject to the whims of the current king, which should raise issues with those who espouse a Constitutional monarchy here. As another example, not sure native Americans, either north or south, would buy into your post.
Perhaps a history lesson would help?
 

Ps82

Well-known member

With the leader of a failed coup back in the White House and pursuing an unprecedented assault on the constitutional order, many Americans are starting to wrap their mind around what authoritarianism could look like in America. If they have a hard time imagining something like the single-party or military regimes of the Soviet Union or Nazi Germany, or more modern regimes like those in China or Russia, that is with good reason. A full-scale dictatorship in which elections are meaningless and regime opponents are locked up, exiled, or killed remains highly unlikely in America.
But that doesn’t mean the country won’t experience authoritarianism in some form. Rather than fascism or single-party dictatorship, the United States is sliding toward a more 21st-century model of autocracy: competitive authoritarianism—a system in which parties compete in elections but incumbent abuse of power systematically tilts the playing field against the opposition. In his first weeks back in office, Donald Trump has already moved strongly in this direction. He is attempting to purge the civil service and directing politicized investigations against rivals. He has pardoned violent paramilitary supporters and is seeking to unilaterally seize control over spending from Congress. This is a coordinated effort to dig in, cement power, and weaken rivals.

Unlike in a full-scale dictatorship, in competitive-authoritarian regimes, opposition forces are legal and aboveground, and they often seriously vie for power. Elections may be fiercely contested. But incumbents deploy the machinery of government to punish, harass, co-opt, or sideline their opponents—disadvantaging them in every contest, and, in so doing, entrenching themselves in power. This is what happened in Venezuela under Hugo Chávez and in contemporary El Salvador, Hungary, India, Tunisia, and Turkey.

Crucially, this abuse of the state’s power does not require upending the Constitution. Competitive autocracies usually begin by capturing the referees: replacing professional civil servants and policy specialists with loyalists in key public agencies, particularly those that investigate or prosecute wrongdoing, adjudicate disputes, or regulate economic life. Elected autocrats such as Chávez, Vladimir Putin, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, Viktor Orbán, Narendra Modi, and Nayib Bukele all purged public prosecutors’ offices, intelligence agencies, tax authorities, electoral authorities, media regulatory bodies, courts, and other state institutions and packed them with loyalists. Trump is not hiding his efforts to do the same. He has thus far fired (or declared his intention to fire, leading to their resignation) the FBI director, the IRS commissioner, EEOC commissioners, the National Labor Relations Board chair, and other nominally independent officials; reissued a renamed Schedule F, which strips firing protections from huge swaths of the civil service; expanded hiring authorities that make it easier to fill public positions with allies; purged more than a dozen inspectors general in apparent violation of the law; and even ordered civil servants to inform on one another.

Once state agencies are packed with loyalists, they may be deployed to investigate and prosecute rivals and critics, including politicians, media companies, editors, journalists, influential CEOs, and administrators of elite universities. In the United States, this may be done via the Justice Department and the FBI, the IRS, congressional investigations, and other public agencies responsible for regulatory oversight and compliance. It may also be done via defamation or other private lawsuits.

The administration doesn’t have to jail its opponents to bully, harm, and ultimately intimidate them into submission. Indeed, because U.S. courts remain independent, few targets of selective prosecution are likely to be convicted and imprisoned. But mere investigations are a form of harassment. Targets of selective investigation or prosecution will be forced to devote considerable time, energy, and resources to defending themselves; they will spend their savings on lawyers; their lives will be disrupted; their professional careers will be sidetracked and their reputations damaged. At minimum, they and their families will suffer months and perhaps years of anxiety and sleepless nights.

Plus, the administration need not target all critics. A few high-profile attacks, such as a case against Liz Cheney, a prominent media outlet, or selective regulatory retaliation against a major company, may serve as an effective deterrent against future opposition.

Competitive-authoritarian governments further subvert democracy by shielding those who engage in criminal or antidemocratic behavior through captured referees and other impunity mechanisms. Trump’s decision to pardon violent January 6 insurrectionists and purge prosecutors who were involved in those cases, for example, sends a strong signal that violent or antidemocratic actors will be protected under the new administration (indeed, that’s how many pardon recipients are interpreting the pardons). Likewise, a loyalist Justice Department and FBI could disregard acts of political violence such as attacks on (or threats against) campaign workers, election officials, journalists, politicians, activists, protesters, or voters.

They could also decline to investigate or prosecute officials who work to manipulate or even steal elections. This may appear far-fetched, but it is precisely what enabled the consolidation of authoritarian rule in the Jim Crow South. Protected by local (and often federal) authorities in the aftermath of Reconstruction, white-supremacist groups used violent terror and election fraud to consolidate power and disenfranchise African Americans across the region.

Finally, state institutions may be used to co-opt business, media, and other influential societal actors. When regulatory bodies and other public agencies are politicized, government officials can use decisions regarding things such as mergers and acquisitions, licenses, waivers, government contracts, and tax-exempt status to reward or punish parties depending on their political alignment. Business leaders, media companies, universities, foundations, and other organizations have a lot at stake when government officials make decisions on tariff waivers, regulatory enforcement, tax-exempt status, and government contracts and concessions. If they believe that those decisions are made on political, rather than technical, grounds, many of them will modify their behavior accordingly.

Thus, if business leaders come to the conclusion that funding opposition candidates or independent media is financially risky, or that remaining silent rather than criticizing the administration is more profitable, they will change their behavior. Several of the country’s wealthiest individuals and companies, including Jeff Bezos, Tim Cook, Sam Altman, Mark Zuckerberg, and Disney, already appear to be adjusting in that way.

Democracy requires robust opposition. Opposition parties and civil-society groups cannot function without money and without a large and replenishable pool of talented politicians, lawyers, journalists, and entrepreneurs.

But using the state’s power against critics will likely deter many of them, depleting that pool. Talented politicians may decide to retire early rather than face an unfounded investigation. Donors may decide that the risk of contributing to Democratic candidates or funding “controversial” civil-rights or pro-democracy organizations is not worth it. Media outlets may downsize their investigatory teams, let go of their most aggressive editors and reporters, and decline to renew their most outspoken columnists. Up-and-coming journalists may steer clear of politics, opting instead to write about sports or culture. And university leaders may crack down on campus protest, remove or isolate activist professors, and decline to speak out on issues of national importance.

Civil society therefore faces a crucial collective-action problem. Individual politicians, CEOs, media owners, and university presidents act rationally and do what seems best for their organizations. They work to protect their shareholders’ interests and stave off debilitating investigations or lawsuits. But such isolated acts of self-preservation have collective costs; as individual players retreat to the sidelines, the opposition weakens.

Some of these costs will be invisible. The public can observe when players sideline themselves: congressional retirements, university presidents’ resignations, the ceasing of campaign contributions, the softening of editorial lines. But we can’t see the opposition that never materializes—the potential critics, activists, and leaders who are deterred from getting in the game. How many young lawyers will decide to remain at a law firm instead of running for office? How many talented young writers will steer clear of journalism? How many potential whistleblowers will decide not to speak out? How many citizens will decide not to sign that public letter, join that protest, or make that campaign contribution?

Democracy is not yet lost. The Trump administration will be politically vulnerable. Unlike successful elected authoritarians such as Nayib Bukele in El Salvador, Hugo Chávez in Venezuela, and Vladimir Putin in Russia, Trump lacks broad popular support. His approval rating has almost never surpassed 50 percent, and incompetence, overreach, and unpopular policies will almost certainly dampen public support for the new administration. An autocratic president with an approval rating below 50 percent is still dangerous, but far less so than one with 80 percent support. The new administration’s political weakness will open up opportunities for opposition in the courtroom, on the streets, and at the ballot box.

Still, the opposition can win only if it stays in the game. Worn down by defeat, and fearing harassment and lost opportunities, many civic leaders and activists will be tempted to pull back into their private lives. It’s already happening. But a retreat to the sidelines could be fatal for democracy. When fear, exhaustion, or resignation eclipses our commitment to democracy, competitive authoritarianism succeeds.
Meanwhile the Democrat Party wants power back by hook or crook... anything goes and whistle blowers are coming out of the woodwork for fear of being thrown under the bus on the behalf of the elitists. They need to get back to promote the ONE world order, the murder of innocents, the debauchery of sexual sins and other things God hates ... such as slander, lies, false witnessing and now lawfare. I know their being outed really saddens some people and many can't admit they follow the godless; so, they keep making excuses and voting for them. Our nation is a mess for two reasons ... our citizens are sick ... and therefore, we have a particular Political Party that is sick.

God would have us put on the Armor he has given believers to fight such things and be a light in this world. There is a God who lives and we are a nation that should glorify him ... as a light on a hill. We profess to be One Nation under God and In God we trust ... but so many people in our nation kick in the face of our Lord by supporting abominations.

I suggest that our nation no longer has the covering of the hand of our Lord ... no more blessings and victories until God's enemies are under His Footstool. Will our people repent and put our Lord first and glorify his will among us?
 

Avajs

Active member
Meanwhile the Democrat Party wants power back by hook or crook... anything goes and whistle blowers are coming out of the woodwork for fear of being thrown under the bus on the behalf of the elitists. They need to get back to promote the ONE world order, the murder of innocents, the debauchery of sexual sins and other things God hates ... such as slander, lies, false witnessing and now lawfare. I know their being outed really saddens some people and many can't admit they follow the godless; so, they keep making excuses and voting for them. Our nation is a mess for two reasons ... our citizens are sick ... and therefore, we have a particular Political Party that is sick.

God would have us put on the Armor he has given believers to fight such things and be a light in this world. There is a God who lives and we are a nation that should glorify him ... as a light on a hill. We profess to be One Nation under God and In God we trust ... but so many people in our nation kick in the face of our Lord by supporting abominations.

I suggest that our nation no longer has the covering of the hand of our Lord ... no more blessings and victories until God's enemies are under His Footstool. Will our people repent and put our Lord first and glorify his will among us?
To answer your question--not very likely
 

annabenedetti

like marbles on glass
Meanwhile the Democrat Party

Democratic Party.

God would have us put on the Armor he has given believers to fight such things and be a light in this world. There is a God who lives and we are a nation that should glorify him ... as a light on a hill. We profess to be One Nation under God and In God we trust ... but so many people in our nation kick in the face of our Lord by supporting abominations.

We weren't "one nation under God" until 1954, did you know that?

And there was no "in God we trust" until 1864 for coins and 1957 for currency.

However did we manage before then?

I suggest that our nation no longer has the covering of the hand of our Lord ... no more blessings and victories until God's enemies are under His Footstool. Will our people repent and put our Lord first and glorify his will among us?

We're not a theocracy or a theodicy. We're a democratic republic - if we can keep it.
 

annabenedetti

like marbles on glass
Another dictatorial executive move.


D.C. Attorney General Brian Schwalb filed a lawsuit against the federal government Friday, claiming President Donald Trump has far exceeded the authority granted him in D.C.’s Home Rule Act, the Administrative Procedure Act and the U.S. Constitution.​
Schwalb is seeking a temporary restraining order and to block U.S. Attorney General Pam Bondi’s Thursday night order naming the head of the Drug Enforcement Administration as D.C.’s “emergency police commissioner" with all the powers of the police chief.​
It also aims to ensure that Metropolitan Police Department Chief Pamela Smith remains in control of D.C.’s police department. The lawsuit comes less than a week after the historic federalization of D.C.'s police department.​
In a press release announcing the suit, Schwalb’s office says, “Congress did not grant the President authority to displace the Chief of Police, assert operational control over MPD or rescind MPD policies – as the Administration seeks to do.”
Schwalb said it's the greatest threat to Home Rule that the District has ever faced, and officials are fighting to stop it.
"By declaring a hostile takeover of MPD, the Administration is abusing its limited, temporary authority under the Home Rule Act, infringing on the District’s right to self-governance and putting the safety of DC residents and visitors at risk. The Administration’s unlawful actions are an affront to the dignity and autonomy of the 700,000 Americans who call DC home," Schwalb said in the press release.
 

Ps82

Well-known member
Democratic Party.
Well, I grew up as a proud Democrat... Guess my back ground is showing. That is all I heard. BUT if Democratic Party means a more 'progressive party.' Then it certainly fits. I am a God fearing ... moral Christian believer ... all conservative ... and certainly no longer a Democrat.
We weren't "one nation under God" until 1954, did you know that?

And there was no "in God we trust" until 1864 for coins and 1957 for currency.

However did we manage before then?
I knew these were added much later in our history. That doesn't matter... we use them now ... all while our people kick in God's FACE. Would you have them removed to tell the truth. In Science have faith to be true to ourselves; One nation in freedom under the Progressive Agenda; PEOPLE OF THE ONE WORLD ORDER???

The LORD God himself said unto a group of people identifying as his own nation:
"I will be sanctified (set aside as holy) in the eyes of the people." This was spoken at the event of the dedication of the Tabernacle when Aaron's two sons lit the incense incorrectly ... and their mistake caused them to be consumed by the fire of God which came down from Heaven to lite the incense. They were not representing the correct symbolism God intended for people to see and they also were not obeying his directions.

Now, if these two were completely consumed by Heavenly Fire from God for their disobedience and disrespect, then how much more do you think God will punish people who proclaim to the world that they are HIS COUNTRY and yet disrespect Him as LORD?

We do not sanctify HIM when proclaim the name of God in the eyes of the whole world and God will not be mocked!

We're not a theocracy or a theodicy. We're a democratic republic - if we can keep it.
Things aren't going so well lately.
For me and my house we (as many as will) will worship the LORD God.
If you are a Democrat ... worshiping the Democratic Party and Agenda, then I'll just say, "Good luck."
 

Idolater

"Matthew 16:18-19" Dispensationalist (Catholic) χρ
John Adams had a lot of conflicting thoughts about the relationship between religion and government so be careful when you cite him.

We don't even have to limit ourselves to religion, the Second Amendment's prefatory clause says, "A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a FREE STATE ... " because the framers were cognizant of where they came outta. They were occupied, subject and subjugated to a regime in which they had no representation. In contrast our Constitution is the constitution of a Free State or country. In order to function, in order to persist and survive, and in order to secure itself we have to be armed to the teeth—but we also need to be well-regulated, not only in how to shoot guns, but also in how to vote and govern ourselves. This is what education is supposed to do. Now no state can be trusted to form good citizens, the people themselves must do this, otherwise we end up in a totalitarian police state. Citizens must be formed and developed by the people and not by the regime, otherwise the system eats itself and we devolve into tyranny. Which is what's happening, and what we need to stop.
 
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