No, not at all. He wasn't insulting her and it's utterly bemusing how you aren't getting that by now. What, was God surprised by her response? So taken aback by her reply that only then did He grant her her wish? Seriously?
@JudgeRightly pointed out that Jesus insulted the Canaanite woman by calling her "doggette":
To which you reacted by saying:
Of course, @JudgeRightly made no mention of puerility, but, is what you wrote there in reaction to what he wrote, not to be understood as a denial by you of the fact that calling someone "doggette" is insulting?
By calling her "doggette" (which you now admit is an insult) He wasn't insulting her?
"Arty" is doing no such thing as you are well aware. You can maintain that Jesus was insulting this woman as much as you like but it doesn't make it any the more true. By your "logic" He insulted the woman and was suddenly so taken back by her response that He then complimented her on her faith and granted her desperate request?
| Gentiles (as symbols of the godless) and sodomites are called "dogs" in the Bible. (For "dog" as a metaphor for filthy homosexuals see Deut. 23:17-18 and Rev. 22:15. And for this term of derision referring also to Gentiles as symbols of the ungodly see Mat. 7:6 with Lev. 22:10; Mat. 15:26; Ps. 22:16, 20; 59:5-6; Phil. 3:2, with this usage easily originating with Ex. 22:31 and Deut. 14:21.) |
The fact that you think that Jesus was calling the woman a "dogette" is your own error JR. What, is God in the habit of denigrating people simply because of race/creed/ethnicity? Like the parable of the good Samaritan, this event teaches a lesson and one that the disciples probably needed to hear. To them, she was an outsider much like how people would view Samaritans, with hostility and suspicion. What does the parable of the good Samaritan teach where it comes to judging a book solely by its cover? While those who would be expected to come to the aid of a man in dire need of help, it was the "outsider" who provided it.
I see it interesting that you, who makes no claim to being a Christian at all, have a better understanding of scripture than all the people hurling insults on this thread.
Well, I don't claim to be anything as such but I'm not an atheist and used to go to an evangelical church...
You have been addressed on this all ends up JR and it is in no way surprising that you doggedly persist with your narrative that Jesus wanted the woman to go away and reduce such an event to one where she was insulted. You're completely missing the bigger picture as outlined but you carry on. I would ask you what the parable of the good Samaritan means to you but what's the point?First you have to establish that God did not, in fact, call her a "doggette."
Scripture says:
Then Jesus went out from there and departed to the region of Tyre and Sidon. And behold, a woman of Canaan came from that region and cried out to Him, saying, “Have mercy on me, O Lord, Son of David! My daughter is severely demon-possessed.” But He answered her not a word.And His disciples came and urged Him, saying, “Send her away, for she cries out after us.” But He answered and said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” Then she came and worshiped Him, saying, “Lord, help me!” But He answered and said, “It is not good to take the children’s bread and throw to the little dogs.” And she said, “Yes, Lord, yet even the little dogs eat the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.” Then Jesus answered and said to her, “O woman, great your faith! Let it be to you as you desire.” And her daughter was healed from that very hour.
Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 15:21, Matthew 15:22, Matthew 15:23, Matthew 15:24, Matthew 15:25, Matthew 15:26, Matthew 15:27, Matthew 15:28 - New King James Version
A Gentile Shows Her Faith - Then Jesus went out from there and departed to the region of Tyre and Sidon.www.biblegateway.com
He answered "little dogs" (referring to Gentiles), in the context of "the children" (referring to Israel).
She acknowledged this, "Yes, Lord."
"YES, LORD."
This isn't hard, Arthur.
Nope. That would be wrong.
But as Jesus said, "It is not good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the little dogs."
What part of this do you not understand?
And His disciples came and urged Him, saying, “Send her away, for she cries out after us.” But He answered and said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
He wouldn't even acknowledge her, at first, Arthur.
Then He tells His disciples "I'm only here for the lost sheep of the house of Israel." She, a Gentile, does not fall into that category.
And then when He DOES talk to her, He uses a derogatory term for Gentiles, telling her that it isn't good to give what is meant for Israel to the Gentiles.
That's three times at that point that He's tried to dissuade her from continuing.
Why is that so hard for you to understand?
It does when you actually pay attention to what Jesus said, and understand it.
She was a Gentile.
Jesus came for the House of Israel, which does not include the Gentiles.
He used derogatory language to try to get her to go away, because of His mission to the House of Israel.
Yet her faith was so great that even Jesus was surprised, and so He relented.
Except that I'm not reducing anything, nor is the "narrative" of my own making.
It's LITERALLY WHAT THE PASSAGE IS SAYING.
Demon possessed
So, it doesn't occur to you that maybe, just maybe, He was setting an example to His disciples who were infuriated by her persistence and wanted her to go away, being the "outsider" and all? That Jesus could have maybe, just maybe be making a point not just to them but for anyone reading the recorded account to the present?
That's you showing yourself to be a Bible-despising heretic who denies that salvation is by faith. Salvation is by faith (belief) of true propostions about God, and true propositions about God are theology. Salvation is theological. Whatever you may "mean" by your slogan "salvation is relational", have fun trying to explain to us exactly how you imagine one could be in a relationship with God sans theological belief.
Here, you've just stated that your fellow non-Christian, @Arthur Brain has "a better understanding of scripture [sic] than" you have, you insult-hurling hypocrite. Obviously, since both you and he have no understanding of Scripture, your having stated that falsehood is asinine.
What's with your sneer quotes around the word, 'outsider'? Are you also denying that the gentile was an outsider to the house of Israel? Like how a rationally-thinking person might express the truth that @Arthur Brain is ignorant about the Bible by sarcastically saying that @Arthur Brain is a "scholar" of the Bible.
In an earlier reply after I'd asked you whether God denigrates people simply based on race/creed/ethnicity you replied No, that would be wrong. So, taking that into account - why would Jesus call or compare the woman to a dog? For what reason? Because she was a gentile? You can't have this both ways JR.
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