Coronavirus conspiracy theory - let's get it straight

[benben]

The plan was to deploy vaccines amid a pandemic to drive variants into existence and keep the panic going.

I think the variants were inevitable, but everybody knew from other attempts at coronavirus vaccines that antibody dependent enhancement (ADE) was a very real, potentially fatal outcome from these vaccines. ADE tends to occur as immunity wanes, which may be why there's a panicked frenzy to get boosters in people. I hope I'm wrong but I think you're going to see vaccinated people developing severe infections from ADE later this year and next.

 

[Gary K]

I think the variants were inevitable, but everybody knew from other attempts at coronavirus vaccines that antibody dependent enhancement (ADE) was a very real, potentially fatal outcome from these vaccines. ADE tends to occur as immunity wanes, which may be why there's a panicked frenzy to get boosters in people. I hope I'm wrong but I think you're going to see vaccinated people developing severe infections from ADE later this year and next.

It's already been shown that vaccinated people are already experiencing viral loads 251 times greater than non-vaccinated people. The greater the viral load a person has the sicker they are.

Vladimir Zelenko says this is ADE. I think the same thing as this is the definition of ADE.

 

[User Name]

It's already been shown that vaccinated people are already experiencing viral loads 251 times greater than non-vaccinated people.

Cite? Show us where it's been shown that "vaccinated people are already experiencing viral loads 251 times greater than non-vaccinated people." Meanwhile, I'll show you this: https://www.reuters.com/article/fac...-of-those-who-were-unvaccinated-idUSL1N2PX1HH

The greater the viral load a person has the sicker they are.

Ah, well that is a testable claim! If vaccinated people have "viral loads 251 times greater than non-vaccinated people," then vaccinated people should be getting sick and dying right and left! Ironically, however, all of the people I know who've been hospitalized or who have died from COVID-19 have been unvaccinated, which sort of blows your nonsensical claim out of the water.

 

[benben]

It's already been shown that vaccinated people are already experiencing viral loads 251 times greater than non-vaccinated people. The greater the viral load a person has the sicker they are.

Vladimir Zelenko says this is ADE. I think the same thing as this is the definition of ADE.

I don't doubt you, but if you can find the source for the viral loads I'd love to have it. I collect and screencap these sorts of stats. A higher viral load in the vaccinated could be ADE. It may also be that the vaccine-induced immunity generated a lot of useless antibodies to specific parts of the S protein that changed in variants (mainly the receptor binding domain)

 

[Stripe]

It's not a fallacy

Of course it is.

Nothing you say stands up to the demands of logic and reason.

We've had deadly pandemics before (bubonic plague/black death, Spanish flu) so it was just a matter of time before another one came along.

COVID-19 isn't a deadly pandemic in the vein of the situation at hand when those other diseases were a problem.

It took about six months before we had the data and experience to treat and save practically every patient with the Wu flu.

No wild conspiracies are needed here.

You're the one preparing them.

Ah, so the blame for the increasing spread of the pandemic is with those who took prudent steps to avoid it and not with those who refused to cooperate and take precautions to help prevent the virus from spreading? Got it.

No.

Try reading for comprehension and responding rationally.

SARS and MERS were nowhere near as contagious as this coronavirus.

And yet they all but vanished without a vaccine.

 

[Stripe]

I think the variants were inevitable, but everybody knew from other attempts at coronavirus vaccines that antibody dependent enhancement (ADE) was a very real, potentially fatal outcome from these vaccines. ADE tends to occur as immunity wanes, which may be why there's a panicked frenzy to get boosters in people. I hope I'm wrong but I think you're going to see vaccinated people developing severe infections from ADE later this year and next.

That's why a sensible initial policy is treatment, not vaccines. The Wu flu would have been all but over by now had we done nothing rather than the insanity that has drawn it out.

What we have is a state health bureaucracy driven by people with a vested interest in developing vaccines.

The government needs to get out of the healthcare business.

 

[Stripe]

Ah, well that is a testable claim! If vaccinated people have "viral loads 251 times greater than non-vaccinated people," then vaccinated people should be getting sick and dying right and left!

Nope.

You're worse than ignorant.

Ironically, however, all of the people I know who've been hospitalized or who have died from COVID-19 have been unvaccinated, which sort of blows your nonsensical claim out of the water.

And there's another fallacy-riddled argument.

 

[benben]

That's why a sensible initial policy is treatment, not vaccines. The Wu flu would have been all but over by now had we done nothing rather than the insanity that has drawn it out.

What we have is a state health bureaucracy driven by people with a vested interest in developing vaccines.

The government needs to get out of the healthcare business.

The shutdowns/lockdowns delayed the inevitable and added all sorts of other unnecessary damage. The "experts" and "I love science" people completely ignored or denied all scientific knowledge about disease. It should come as no surprise. They're the same people who believe in evolution and infinite genders.

 

[marke]

I don't "support the same policies China enforces inside China being enforced in the US." This is just more of your ignorant blather and false accusations. For example, the Chicoms will weld the doors of an apartment building shut whenever one person who lives in that building tests positive for COVID-19. Do I support that? Nope. So there.


It's not a fallacy when I'm just making the observation that there are people like you and yours on the negative extreme end of the spectrum who think that the vaccines are actually causing the pandemic to get worse (and then there are goofs like Mike Lindell who seem to think that people are actually being injected with the mark of the beast when they get vaccinated).


We've had deadly pandemics before (bubonic plague/black death, Spanish flu) so it was just a matter of time before another one came along. Infectious disease specialists, immunologists, etc, dedicate their careers to planning and dealing with this inevitability. Since another pandemic was just a matter of time, it only makes sense to plan for it, and planning involves predictions as to what we may face with a new pandemic and how best to respond to it. No wild conspiracies are needed here.



Ah, so the blame for the increasing spread of the pandemic is with those who took prudent steps to avoid it and not with those who refused to cooperate and take precautions to help prevent the virus from spreading? Got it.


SARS and MERS were nowhere near as contagious as this coronavirus.

The fact that world health organizations and world governments tried to cover up the fact that the coronavirus was created in a China lab with US help is proof they are trying to deceive people for some reason.

 

[marke]

Cite? Show us where it's been shown that "vaccinated people are already experiencing viral loads 251 times greater than non-vaccinated people." Meanwhile, I'll show you this: https://www.reuters.com/article/fac...-of-those-who-were-unvaccinated-idUSL1N2PX1HH


Ah, well that is a testable claim! If vaccinated people have "viral loads 251 times greater than non-vaccinated people," then vaccinated people should be getting sick and dying right and left! Ironically, however, all of the people I know who've been hospitalized or who have died from COVID-19 have been unvaccinated, which sort of blows your nonsensical claim out of the water.

Biden said he was ordering his government agencies to mandate the vaccine in order to protect vaccinated people from unvaccinated people. Is Bid stupid or what? If the vaccine protects people from getting covid then why do vaccinated people need protection from people who choose to not get the vaccine?

 

[User Name]

Nope.

You're worse than ignorant.


And there's another fallacy-riddled argument.

I'm sure that baseless contradiction must fall under some type of fallacy.

 

[User Name]

Of course it was. Both the plandemic and the deceit supporting it were very meticulously planned.

Interestingly, Bob Enyart rejected and debunked the claim that the government planned the pandemic as a power grab: https://kgov.com/covid-conspiracies

 

[Stripe]

I'm sure that baseless contradiction must fall under some type of fallacy.

Nope.

Here's a hint for how stupid you are. Literally any idea, no matter how ridiculous, can be asserted without there being any fallacious reasoning involved.

It's only when a syllogism is attempted that fallacies can manifest.

This is why you and your ilk never use the word "therefore." You attempt to pass off your insane ramblings as mere assertions, attempting to hide from the disinfectant of logic and reason.

Interestingly, Bob Enyart rejected and debunked the claim that the government planned the pandemic as a power grab: https://kgov.com/covid-conspiracies

Case in point: No "therefore," just a vague assertion and the hope that you can hide the paucity of your capacity to contribute anything of value.

 

[User Name]

The government needs to get out of the healthcare business.

Too bad you weren't around to tell Trump to get out of the healthcare business when he decided to push Operation Warp Speed, which is how we got these coronavirus vaccines in the first place.

 

[marke]

Too bad you weren't around to tell Trump to get out of the healthcare business when he decided to push Operation Warp Speed, which is how we got these coronavirus vaccines in the first place.

Still blaming Trump for everything bad on earth and singing Biden's praises for any tiny thing he might could take credit for?

 

[User Name]

And there's another fallacy-riddled argument.

Fallacy-riddle this:

CDC study: Unvaccinated people are 11 times more likely to die of Covid-19

A trio of new studies from the CDC shows that Covid-19 vaccines remain highly effective against severe illness.

www.vox.com

And this:

Covid-19 Study in England Shows Few Deaths Among Vaccinated People

A survey found 640 coronavirus deaths in the first half of 2021 among people who had received two shots and more than 50,000 among those who hadn’t, adding to evidence that vaccines prevent severe illness and death from Covid-19.

www.wsj.com

 

[marke]

Fallacy-riddle this:

CDC study: Unvaccinated people are 11 times more likely to die of Covid-19

A trio of new studies from the CDC shows that Covid-19 vaccines remain highly effective against severe illness.

www.vox.com

And this:

Covid-19 Study in England Shows Few Deaths Among Vaccinated People

A survey found 640 coronavirus deaths in the first half of 2021 among people who had received two shots and more than 50,000 among those who hadn’t, adding to evidence that vaccines prevent severe illness and death from Covid-19.

www.wsj.com

So, for every 11,000 unvaccinated people who die of covid there are 1,000 vaccinated people who also die of covid? How does that support the narrative that covid vaccines protect people from covid?

 

[Stripe]

It's surprising that the Darwinists don't gravitate more toward what is going on with untested vaccines pushed into a population amid a pandemic.

The Chinese-US-made disease that emerged from the Wuhan lab is all but gone. It is the variants, which the vaccines forced into the foreground, that are keeping this money-spinning, bureaucrat-pleasing situation going.

However, the people who usually spout the "random mutation, natural selection" gobbledygook are suddenly mute.

 

[Stripe]

Fallacy-riddle this:And this:

Typical.

Called on his useless attempts at argument, posts links he's never read, let alone understood.

 

[Gary K]

Fallacy-riddle this:

CDC study: Unvaccinated people are 11 times more likely to die of Covid-19

A trio of new studies from the CDC shows that Covid-19 vaccines remain highly effective against severe illness.

www.vox.com

And this:

Covid-19 Study in England Shows Few Deaths Among Vaccinated People

A survey found 640 coronavirus deaths in the first half of 2021 among people who had received two shots and more than 50,000 among those who hadn’t, adding to evidence that vaccines prevent severe illness and death from Covid-19.

www.wsj.com

So, you still believe the CDC which has been lying to you throughout this entire plandemic. They lie to you every day with the phony numbers of their VAERS database. They know how inaccurate it is and still use it and pretend they don't. They flip flop around telling you one thing one day and the opposite a week later.

As to your source, Here's an article about it. The title? How Vox Makes Us Stupid. https://thefederalist.com/2014/04/08/how-vox-makes-us-stupid/