Global Warming, Is It A Man Made Hoax?

[ok doser]

The interesting thing is, if the Sun was the key element in the current climate change ...

pretty sure it was 10,000 years ago (see Doggerland)

 

[eider]

Science teaches that 10,000 years ago, there was a sheet of ice two miles thick over my part of northern NY and a kilometer thick over most of GB. I've referred often to Doggerland, which is just around the corner from you.

Do you believe that man's activity had anything to do with the melting of those glaciers or the flooding of Doggerland?

Other researchers suggest 30,000 years actually.r
It's interesting to note that you do acknowledge a 10,000 year old Earth and Universe...... you just need to stretch that out a little further.

No, doser, the retreating of the ice and the rising of the World's oceans by many meters was not driven by mankind's activities back then. It wasn't just the land-bridge, now known as the Dogger Bank which was submerged, but land masses all over the planet.

If your level of intellect calculates that because of previous Earth coolings and warmings, this can show that man's activities over the last 2-300 hundred years have not made a difference during this period then this warms my heart and I will smile all the more when in future you chuck your 'retard' bricks at folks.

Don't be a dope, doser.

 

[eider]

Yeah, I was an academic bum for a long time, gathering degrees. Then for 18 years, I was an ergonomist. Then I retired to teach. ​​​​

I noticed doser's post which put your past down as a mere science teacher, wishing to know if you were published...... I feel confident thatr if you have been published that doser will then want to know if you've been 'peer-reviewed'.
I do love that word 'scientist'. It's the very best waffle word that there is.

Truth to tell, most folks are surveyors, researchers, chemists, engineers, medics, dendrologists, etc etc..... and the word 'scientist' is just so inexact.
I mentioned dendrology because I studied that subject, was accepted to work at Greenwich Maritime Museum in Dendo-Chronology but the wage was sadly not enough to pay the mortgage and family expenses. I had to stay on in the Timber Trade for the money...... But that was nearly half a century ago now. We all were involved with and in science at some time in our lives. The word 'scientist' does not impress me much these days.

 

[Truth7t7]

I noticed doser's post which put your past down as a mere science teacher, wishing to know if you were published...... I feel confident thatr if you have been published that doser will then want to know if you've been 'peer-reviewed'.
I do love that word 'scientist'. It's the very best waffle word that there is.

Truth to tell, most folks are surveyors, researchers, chemists, engineers, medics, dendrologists, etc etc..... and the word 'scientist' is just so inexact.
I mentioned dendrology because I studied that subject, was accepted to work at Greenwich Maritime Museum in Dendo-Chronology but the wage was sadly not enough to pay the mortgage and family expenses. I had to stay on in the Timber Trade for the money...... But that was nearly half a century ago now. We all were involved with and in science at some time in our lives. The word 'scientist' does not impress me much these days.

Love to make it to the UK one day, do a month stating bed and breakfast, the ole inns and taverns, see you tourist trap castles and estates.

England, Scotland, Ireland, my family roots

 

[The Barbarian]

I noticed doser's post which put your past down as a mere science teacher, wishing to know if you were published...... I feel confident thatr if you have been published that doser will then want to know if you've been 'peer-reviewed'.
I do love that word 'scientist'. It's the very best waffle word that there is.

It's a funny thing; years ago,a guy here who proclaimed himself a "chemist", happened to let slip that he believed potassium nitrate (he called it "saltpeter") would cause a failure of male libido. He's never forgiven me for initially taking it as a joke.

The word 'scientist' does not impress me much these days.

Most guys in industry with the title, don't publish much if at all. But you're right. The key is whether or not they actually function as scientists.

 

[The Barbarian]

Other researchers suggest 30,000 years actually.r
It's interesting to note that you do acknowledge a 10,000 year old Earth and Universe...... you just need to stretch that out a little further.

No, doser, the retreating of the ice and the rising of the World's oceans by many meters was not driven by mankind's activities back then. It wasn't just the land-bridge, now known as the Dogger Bank which was submerged, but land masses all over the planet.

If your level of intellect calculates that because of previous Earth coolings and warmings, this can show that man's activities over the last 2-300 hundred years have not made a difference during this period then this warms my heart and I will smile all the more when in future you chuck your 'retard' bricks at folks.

Don't be a dope, doser.

It's as though there were "denier biologists" who might claim that since extinction was common before man even existed on Earth, it is therefore proven that man cannot cause extinctions. No amount of reason or evidence will have an effect on such people. Their minds are impervious to the truth.

 

[eider]

Love to make it to the UK one day, do a month stating bed and breakfast, the ole inns and taverns, see you tourist trap castles and estates.

England, Scotland, Ireland, my family roots

If you do come here and pass through Kent I would be pleased to meet up.

My last meeting with an IT forum member was in 2013 when an Indian Gold trader came to the Goldsmiths exhibition in London. We spent the most brilliant afternoon sightseeing on the touring buses.

Where do you live?

 

[eider]

So far, the sea rise has been largely by thermal expansion, not addition of melt water. The melting of the ice at the North Pole doesn't add anything to sea levels for reasons that should be obvious. When it melts, it occupies less volume by precisely the volume above water level. The now-accelerating melting of continental and alpine glaciers is another story; that will bring up sea levels, and apparently will do so faster than previously estimated.

There really isn't much you can do long-term about sea level rise, other than stop whatever is causing it. If the glaciers melt, the level is coming up.

The Greenland ice sheet is reported to be melting and that huge glacier in Antarctica ..... I forget it's name now, will make a difference.

I think that all the glaciers are receding, everywhere.

 

[eider]

The interesting thing is, if the Sun was the key element in the current climate change, the glaciers would be growing. Solar output is markedly down. Ordinarily, we'd be in a cooling period, but instead we are having record high temperatures for the Earth almost every year. The atmospheric effects of increasing carbon dioxide are stronger than the decrease in solar radiation.

The only way to reverse the warming trend is to lower the amount of heat absorbed by the atmosphere. There are at least two possible ways to do this. One would be to lower the output of carbon dioxide. The second would be to increase the albedo of the Earth. It's been suggested that putting many ships out to sea, with devices to make clouds from ocean water, the increase in reflectance might make the difference.

Thanks for that last para info..... I must look up on that.

 

[eider]

It's as though there were "denier biologists" who might claim that since extinction was common before man even existed on Earth, it is therefore proven that man cannot cause extinctions. No amount of reason or evidence will have an effect on such people. Their minds are impervious to the truth.

I must remember that angle.
Love it.

Next time anybody asks me about 'doggerland' i must remember to suggest that 'dinosaur extinction' might be a more deadly approach! :chuckle:

 

[exminister]

Not the complete abandonment of oil and gas in 10 years.
Not the complete takeover of the economy by the corrupt government.

That’s the NOT side.
what would be positive side?
are you totally against solar?

Can’t we do both instead of each side trying to destroy the other?

A house divided cannot stand.

 

[eider]

That’s the NOT side.
what would be positive side?
are you totally against solar?

Can’t we do both instead of each side trying to destroy the other?

A house divided cannot stand.

Good post!

As well as Solar Voltaic systems we also have hydro-dams, wind, wave and hydro-tidal systems. We also have some high altitude lakes which we pump water up in to at night for daily release in to hydro-power.

Our building regulations now require new properties to be so insulated that they can be heated by a television set in use, or even a light bulb, or so I have heard.

 

[Truth7t7]

If you do come here and pass through Kent I would be pleased to meet up.

My last meeting with an IT forum member was in 2013 when an Indian Gold trader came to the Goldsmiths exhibition in London. We spent the most brilliant afternoon sightseeing on the touring buses.

Where do you live?

California, beautiful State as far as scenery in mountains, desserts, coastline is concerned, lots of good food

The political environment in the State in government controls is out of hand, not to mention taxes and corruption

​​​​​​The white cliffs of Dover and it's castle :up:, Kent a beautiful place from my observation, like to see man's work, in the channel tunnel into France, cheers!

 

[Stripe]

It's going to get worse before it gets better.

Nope. It's going to get worse before it gets much worse.

Here are the facts:

The Earth is warming. It is not increasing in temperature because of carbon dioxide; it is because of friction within the planet. We have a molten core that has lava "raining" onto it from the mantle.
The reason for the warming is mankind. The cause of global warming is not because people drive SUVs. It is because Adam sinned, leading to the chain of events culminating in the flood. This wrecked the crust, leaving the planet somewhat more out-of-the-spherical than it was. Gravity is trying to squeeze a slightly less massive Earth back into a sphere, which is what is causing all the friction.
The results will be catastrophic. It's a process on an exponential path toward the complete melting of the entire planet. Elements themselves will melt away.

Now, Darwinists agree with the main, bolded points there. The one point we disagree on is the solution:

The solution is the Gospel, not "carbon initiatives." Evolutionists wail about how much stuff people use, which distracts from the important stuff, ie, salvation.

 

[Right Divider]

That’s the NOT side.
what would be positive side?
are you totally against solar?

Of course not... that's a ridiculous question.

What I'm against with solar is tax-payer money being spent to make it appear to be an economically cheap alternative to other actual cheap sources.

Can’t we do both instead of each side trying to destroy the other?

Again... DUH!

A house divided cannot stand.

Wow... so insightful!

 

[Right Divider]

As well as Solar Voltaic systems we also have hydro-dams, wind, wave and hydro-tidal systems. We also have some high altitude lakes which we pump water up in to at night for daily release in to hydro-power.

No offense intended, but that is really stupid.

There is a NET ENERGY LOSS with that type of "idea".

 

[exminister]

Of course not... that's a ridiculous question.

What I'm against with solar is tax-payer money being spent to make it appear to be an economically cheap alternative to other actual cheap sources.


Again... DUH!


Wow... so insightful!

The fossil fuel companies have been getting massive tax breaks for decades, so they were and are propped up long before solar was a thing. You are OK with all that.

So you don't want to do anything positive but ***** against the alternatives. Got it.

Wonder how much more the fossil fuel companies have gotten from the government matched against what has been done for solar/wind companies. Drop in a bucket for sure.




In the years after Mr. Trump’s election, the federal government offered help valued at as much as $1 billion to keep this one power plant and coal mine up and running by embracing an industry plan to relax costly air-quality requirements.

A Republican lawmaker from Arizona sought to force one of the state’s largest utilities to continue to buy power from the plant. Peabody, the world’s largest coal company, offered to discount the price of the coal it was selling the power plant from the Kayenta mine.

More at https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/05/u...gtype=Homepage

 

[Right Divider]

The fossil fuel companies have been getting massive tax breaks for decades, so they were and are propped up long before solar was a thing. You are OK with all that.

NO, I am NOT OK with that.

 

[eider]

No offense intended, but that is really stupid.

There is a NET ENERGY LOSS with that type of "idea".

No offence intended, but you are clearly ignorant about power-saving.
We've used that for decades, now.
You wouldn't know it, but during the night our generators have to keep rolling..... shut-downs and start-ups are very complex operations, so what some generators do is to keep rolling through the night and spare power from our National Grid is used to pump water, a bit like charging a battery. During the busy daytime the battery can be connected and used.

The KISS memory trick (Keep it simple stupid) is to think of the high level lake as a storage battery, holding the energy.

What is (or was) your job?

 

[eider]

Nope. It's going to get worse before it gets much worse.

Here are the facts:

The Earth is warming. It is not increasing in temperature because of carbon dioxide; it is because of friction within the planet. We have a molten core that has lava "raining" onto it from the mantle.
The reason for the warming is mankind. The cause of global warming is not because people drive SUVs. It is because Adam sinned, leading to the chain of events culminating in the flood. This wrecked the crust, leaving the planet somewhat more out-of-the-spherical than it was. Gravity is trying to squeeze a slightly less massive Earth back into a sphere, which is what is causing all the friction.
The results will be catastrophic. It's a process on an exponential path toward the complete melting of the entire planet. Elements themselves will melt away.

Now, Darwinists agree with the main, bolded points there. The one point we disagree on is the solution:

The solution is the Gospel, not "carbon initiatives." Evolutionists wail about how much stuff people use, which distracts from the important stuff, ie, salvation.

So how is it that the Earth has warmed and then cooled many times before?
God knows that Adam sinned, so surely he didn't change his mind?
Your post suggests that God is going to destroy the planet through complete melting....... I just never did read any words from Jesus about that.
??