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No, you are, for I have replied to those scriptures many times.
If you weren't so busy calling names you would probably see it.
SABBATH KEEPING
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No, you are, for I have replied to those scriptures many times.
If you weren't so busy calling names you would probably see it.
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So this is your great answer?
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JESUS CAME and MADE THAT COVENANT, and Paul was a minister to it.
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Right Divider,
To have the LAW WRITTEN ON YOUR HEART---THAT IS TO RECEIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT.
Jesus came and taught HOW TO get the Holy Spirit.
Paul came and was a minister that one and only Way.
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Right Divider,
Come back and let's talk about it.
So you think there is a different way we have the law written on our hearts and minds than with the Holy Spirit living in us?
So what is this other way?
And, you don't get that having the Holy Spirit live in your heart is the reason people won't need a prophet to hold their hand BECAUSE we have God LIVING INSIDE us?
Come back and let's talk about it.
So you think there is a different way we have the law written on our hearts and minds than with the Holy Spirit living in us?
So what is this other way?
And, you don't get that having the Holy Spirit live in your heart is the reason people won't need a prophet to hold their hand BECAUSE we have God LIVING INSIDE us?
Right Divider
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So you cannot read... that makes sense.
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I am just trying to help you.
Yeah but yeah but...it was all different...another gospel another way...NEW law remember? LOL
LOL...so what Jimmy ADDED to the original Greek has them NOT KEEP 8 of the 10 laws but the dietary Laws? LOL
I know I know because with GRACE you DO NOT NEED to keep the other 8
With the Holy Spirit inside you...you CAN
worship another god
makes idols
blashpeme His name
dishonor your parents
kill
steal
lie
covet
just not adultery because that was ruled a NO NO for these Gentiles crowding synagogues every Sabbath
and keep the Sabbath as James concluded the council expecting them to HEAR MOSES every Sabbath in every city...Acts 15:21
This is the thanks I get for affirming your statement here?:
“I do agree with you that sin starts in the mind, and then thought about for a while goes to the heart where it is desired, and then acted out it is sin born.”
BOTH adultery and coveting...wife or stuff...follows this pattern...
please stay focused...thanks...
talked into by Peter he was the Judaizer the only time this phrase is mentioned is about Peter Judaizing Gal 2:14...and because that is WHAT THE GOSPEL INCLUDES
Paul and Silas were beaten and imprisoned for “These men being JEWS exceedingly trouble our city and they teach customs which are NOT lawful for us being Romans to receive or observe” Acts 16:21
So you think these Jews (what STILL? I thought they were a NEW CREATION you know a NEW LAW keeping with no Sabbath because “every day is holy now and eat whatever”)
so Paul and Silas were teaching Romans how to “every day is the same...EAT WHATEVER...make sell buy IDOLS because there is NEW LAW now...the OT is done away with!”
I mean this being AFTER the Acts 15 Jerusalem council which ruled as King JIMMY said observe the Law? NO SUCH THING...LOL
Why would Romans get MAD about that?
Or maybe Paul and Silas as Jews were still teaching to observe the Law.....that would make Romans MAD...even YOU and those others MAD at the Sabbath...
Hey I am over here...you are talking to the mirror...
You are certainly NOT addressing the Romans...you would never say that to Romans as they agree and practice your “No Sabbath every day is the same...eat whatever...” LOL
The back sliding Celts too...they would agree with you and NOT PAUL....
in fact Paul was concerned that they were sliding back AGAIN to their former pagan ways observing their own calendar as Gal 4: 8 “...when you did NOT know Yah you served those which by nature are not gods. 9 But now after you have known Yah, or rather are known by Yah (for their repentant obedience to Him His ways) how is it that you turn AGAIN (they never kept Torah so they can NOT turn AGAIN to it) the weak and beggarly elements to which you desire AGAIN to be in bondage?” You can not be in bondage AGAIN to something that never had you in bondage...
You think Paul would call TORAH weak beggarly elements and bondage?
Paul loved the spiritual Law Romans 7:14...it is holy just and good verse 12...He delights in the law... of Yah verse 22 and teaches ROMANS ESTABLISH IT chapter 3:31
Well NO WONDER his concern for these Celts back sliding to their own vomit...
and his troubling a whole city of ROMANS with customs which are NOT lawful for Romans but for Jews...
neither of these would occure if Paul just went along with your “every day is the same...eat whatever”...LOL
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Like the serpent tried to help Adam and Eve.
The Bible is crystal clear... God made a covenant with Israel (the nation and not your contrived fairy tale version) and He also said that He would make a new covenant with these same people. That you want to change the Bible is wrong.
HA HA ...ouch...Eve did deceive herself though...ironic
welllll...readers of it have been fighting (or in your case also ignoring this) for centuries...
yup...Yah said:
"I will put My laws in their minds and inscribe them on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they will be My people"
but just putting the Laws in there does NOT mean they choose to follow them...
but like Ruth said YOUR PEOPLE MY PEOPLE YOUR GOD MY GOD...can't imagine she insisted on continuing worshiping her god or in her former ways or living her former lifestyle...but of course according to what He instructed His believers to do yes?
Or do you have Ruth eating Ham and expecting to make extra money on Sabbaths? LOL
Even that first covenant He made with THIS ekklesia or THIS body WITH HIM AT THE HEAD when it was in the OT wilderness was ALREADY with THOSE NOT OF JACOB...
and ALREADY SAME LAW for NATIVE and FOREIGNER ALIEN STRANGER IN THEIR GATES...
you know like in the Sabbath commandment the ONLY ONE to include these NOT OF JACOB...
but believers IN HIM with HIS LAW in their circumcised hearts and "inner Jew" mind...neat eh?
Notice too that "they will be My people" is a SINGULAR people...you know NOT "my peoples" with differing qualifiers...but NO DISTINCTION between NATIVE and FOREIGNER yet AGAIN in this NEW COVENANT...SAME LAW...NOTHING ABOUT A NEW LAW put into them or Son's LAw or updated version 2.0 or for those it makes MAD..."NOT FOR ME"....
but just like when THIS body with Him as the Head was in the OT wilderness...SAME LAW and SAME OBEDIENT BODY...with Him as its Head...
Imagine a body OPPOSED TO THE HEAD..."NO NO NOT FOR ME"...LOL
but just putting the Laws in there does NOT mean they choose to follow them...
but like Ruth said YOUR PEOPLE MY PEOPLE YOUR GOD MY GOD...can't imagine she insisted on continuing worshiping her god or in her former ways or living her former lifestyle...but of course according to what He instructed His believers to do yes?
Or do you have Ruth eating Ham and expecting to make extra money on Sabbaths? LOL
Even that first covenant He made with THIS ekklesia or THIS body WITH HIM AT THE HEAD when it was in the OT wilderness was ALREADY with THOSE NOT OF JACOB...
and ALREADY SAME LAW for NATIVE and FOREIGNER ALIEN STRANGER IN THEIR GATES...
you know like in the Sabbath commandment the ONLY ONE to include these NOT OF JACOB...
but believers IN HIM with HIS LAW in their circumcised hearts and "inner Jew" mind...neat eh?
Notice too that "they will be My people" is a SINGULAR people...you know NOT "my peoples" with differing qualifiers...but NO DISTINCTION between NATIVE and FOREIGNER yet AGAIN in this NEW COVENANT...SAME LAW...NOTHING ABOUT A NEW LAW put into them or Son's LAw or updated version 2.0 or for those it makes MAD..."NOT FOR ME"....
but just like when THIS body with Him as the Head was in the OT wilderness...SAME LAW and SAME OBEDIENT BODY...with Him as its Head...
Imagine a body OPPOSED TO THE HEAD..."NO NO NOT FOR ME"...LOL
yup the same obedient faithful believers who WANTED to be MORE LIKE HIM...
and of ALL NATIONS with HIS SAME LAW in their circumcised hearts and "inner Jew" minds as Paul called it...and concluded we are to ESTABLISH His Law...
you know represent it AS HE DIE to ALL NATIONS to win more over to HIM HIS WAYS...that they too might be SAVED and abide IN HIM...LIVE AS HE LIVED...LOVE AS HE LOVED and fulfill His Law...dontcha know?
That is why already in the OT the Sabbath was to the strangers within their gates...if they didn't worship Yah or follow they would NOT be saved from Egypt or within His obedient people's gates...
is WHY Yahushua said the Sabbath was made for man...NOT JUST JEWS...
but His ONE NATION of the SAME LAW abiding PEOPLE...
and Heb 4:9 confirms that a sabbatismos a sabbath keeping remains for that PEOPLE...JOINED...ADOPTED INTO His LAW KEEPING Family...
INDEED!!!
or His Law and who it is intended for...HalleluYah
can you believe some claim it is "NOT FOR ME" they want the PROMISE but NOT the terms and conditions or the SAME LAW that contains their right to that PROMISE...
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No.
Jesus made a covenant with Israel and that covenant puts Gentiles in too.
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So you think that God lied in Jeremiah 31 and Hebrews 8?
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God made two different commands. One command was about adultery, and the other one is about coveting.
You are arguing against God.
Right...you are correct...
I agreed long ago...
I thought you were separating covet into TWO as Catholics do...making a NEW commandment...but YOUR NEW commandment is not the same as theirs...(well actually it is but that's a different post)
And BOTH adultery AND the other one about coveting are BROKEN THE SAME WAY:
As you said:
“I do agree with you that sin starts in the mind, and then thought about for a while goes to the heart where it is desired, and then acted out it is sin born.”
See? I am agreeing with you...
because it is what is INSIDE that makes one unclean by the unclean choices they make with their uncircumcised heart and NOT "inner Jew" mind...
Just LIKE when Yahushua taught it is NOT what goes in the pie hole but IF unclean does it is BECAUSE the inside is already UNclean...AS YOU SAID...
Is why Acts 15 council ALSO ruled 3 DIETARY prohibitions ALREADY FOUND in the OT for strangers who were within their gates...
YOU KNOW LIKE THE SABBATH which was made for MAN...
and as James concluded the NOT OF JACOB who crowded the synagogues to HEAR of ONE resurrected would CONTINUE TO HEAR MOSES EVERY SABBATH...
as THIS ekklesia/BODY with Christ as its HEAD was in the wilderness...ALREADY FULL OF THOSE NOT OF JACOB...ONE LAW ONE HEAD ONE WAY
and even then ONE WAY TO BREAK THIS LAW:
“ sin starts in the mind, and then thought about for a while goes to the heart where it is desired, and then acted out it is sin born.”
It is ironic that those MAD at the Heb 4:9 sabbatismos (the keeping of the Sabbath) which remains for His people...HAVE to create another group...which are NOT His people?
At least they conclude correctly that a seventh day sabbatismos still remains...
oatmeal
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How do I figure that?
I don't figure that
I simply read what God's word says that I believe it