RANSOM FOR MANY OR ALL ?

clefty

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No way never ever.

(What follows is post #107

which you did not address

might have been for your recent forced sabbatical)

for two consecutive posts now you demonstrate exactly what you think you counter...



Yeah I think about that sometimes if anyone is reading and learning. I believe you are being convicted though about the false things you teach because of the truth that I say here.
You can never ever go before God and say I never heard of that I didn't know.
I have heard a lot that is true...He even more...

Your postings are earnest and sincere...but I am not convinced when I compare them to scripture...ALL SCRIPTURE is Yah breathed and useful...funny how when that was written it was referring to the OT as the NT had not even been written yet...



Thank you very much and same to you. What you said to me made me very glad and makes up greatly for the hurt you caused me not too long ago. I do give everything you say great care and consideration.

I do want to say to you that I am glad for your kinder approach to me and so glad to come every day here to talk with you.

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Right, Paul was talking about being in the shadow and the better things to come is about when Jesus came.
Yahushua HAD ALREADY COME AND GONE...by the time Paul wrote this...in fact he even wrote most of his writings before the gospels Matt Mark Luke John were written...

SO: Paul was speaking of the good things STILL to come...heaven and earth have NOT passed away thus good things are STILL coming...oh and no jot or tittle has been altered...

When Paul wrote this Yahushua WAS come already...AND these ”which ARE a shadow of good things to come”...still to come...get it?

Stop making good things...plural...a singular person...He was NOT just a thing certainly not a plurality...and had already come and gone...


Here is something you should come to understand and stop doing is stop saying cherry picking to scriptures. You can't put any scripture aside and dismissing a scripture by calling it a sour cherry is just wrong.
you keep perseverating on and on about that one text and do so in error as Paul wrote “which ARE” and NOT “which was”...this latter interpretation of the text is not even a useable cherry...

Paul is talking about those under the law and the changes which happened when Jesus came.

NO! NOT AT ALL!!

He was writing a group of believing gentiles who WERE KEEPING this shadow...and encouraging them not to let others judge them for doing so...”Therefore let no one judge you...but the body of Christ”

Why would gentiles keep New Moons if they had their own calendar?...

Is why fellow not believing gentiles would judge...”Hey that’s not ours!”

Jews who did not believe would also judge believing gentiles for doing so “Hey that’s not YOURS!”

But the body of Christ which consisted of believers ONLY...

oh and both jews and gentiles (remember? the wall separating jew and gentile was in Him destroyed...No distinction between them as Peter said...Fellow citizen of Israel as Paul confirmed) only they were to judge them their keeping it...


Don't you know that what is spiritual is not about days and earthly things?
not only was creation made for us in the flesh...but even the Word became flesh...clean pure and holy...and it is the learning and application of this that allows us who are born of the flesh to become reborn spiritually...clean pure and holy

Your any day every day all day observations of Jesus miss this...FOLLOW ME...even to the cross...Him His WAY no compromises
 

beloved57

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If you went by the scriptures then you would stop saying we are not justified by faith when the scriptures say we are.


Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

Where did I say that people are not justified by faith? That sounds like a false accusation.
 

God's Truth

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yup...is WHY both of them kept the Sabbath and instructed us to copy them...
When Jesus saves, every day the person lives to please Jesus and not live to please oneself--that was the message of the Sabbath.

Isaiah 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:


When one wants to be saved and in the Rest, then one has to put Jesus before anyone or anything, even before yourself.


yup...DESPITE what you and yours attempt it to say...for centuries...HONEST scholars admit that Sunday keeping was OUTSIDE of scripture and in the later TRADITIONS...

You don't even know who mine are. I don't put any day over another---let alone a Sunday.

Don't you care about the truth? Stop saying I believe something when I don't.

Prove it that I ever said a Sunday is the new Sabbath.

And, as for you bragging about scholars---Jesus doesn't give the truth to people because they are scholars, in fact, it is hid from them.


He says “Do My Father’s WILL“...which INCLUDES a sabbatismos...as does “Do what they teach from Moses seat” Matt 23:3

Jesus said the temple was still standing and to do what the Pharisees and teachers of the law said to do because they sat in Moses' seat.

That is about not getting killed by the Jews. It is about keeping the rules and regulations for the temple building while it was still standing.

Jesus said he is the temple, and the rules and regulations for the old law no longer save.


sure it does Matt 24:20...in fact others like you...who reject what was made for man...twist and distort this text so bad they claim it is because the city gates are closed on Sabbath...but He was talking to men of Judea not Jerusalem...or like you, they get so MAD they claim it was not for them in end times but just for Jews in first century...
That is about not being able to escape because the city was locked down. It is NOT speaking well of the Sabbath day.


NOWHERE in scripture does He BECOME a literal 24 hour calendar day...The one after six daze of work...He provides you rest...YES of course...that seventh day rest made for Man as He said...

IS WHY Heb 4:10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works AS Yah did from His...and only after six daze of work...as He did from His

oh and IS WHY Heb 4:11 “let us therefore be diligent...(see NOT a one time thing but keep doing it) to enter that rest, lest anyone fall after the same example of disobedience.” What example is that? ISRAEL and her Jews...entered His rest but was NOT diligent...so don’t follow their example...

You quoted a scripture that proves you wrong. We have to enter Jesus who is our rest.

As for Jesus IS the temple:

Yahushua is NOT a physical building...nowhere does He say He is...He even says Matt 12:6 “But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.”

Paul affirms He needs NO temple built by human hands...and John the Revelator ends it with there IS NO TEMPLE.

So Yah doesn’t need His Son the temple?...And in the new earth will there be panic? “WHERE’S Yahushua the temple? WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM?!”

Read it more carefully. There is no NEED FOR A TEMPLE BUILDING.

And yet here you are going on and on and making the Father a LIAR because He said it was a PERPETUAL SIGN and His Law IS ETERNAL...

you also make the Son a LIAR as He confirmed it was made for man...He should know He was there when Sabbath was instituted EVEN BEFORE THE FALL...and you teach He is a Law breaker...EXACTLY opposite His “DO NOT THINK“...and yet you do and teach others to do the same

You should study these scriptures:

2 Peter 2:12 and Jude 1:10

AND yet you claim you obey Him...LOL...

Yup...doing good works of healing and redemption...of salvation and restoration...as His Father does...(He has been working a LONG time 24x7 to free you from your ditch...LOL)

It is a shadow of Jesus. And the Bible says you are a bitter root defiling others. That is exactly what your are, a defiler of others. Just look at the evil you speak of me.

do you think the Lord of London works to destroy London the very city from which he derives his authority from? or do you really think the Lord of the Rings should melt the rings down and make a door stop with them?

You try to compare God with your false god stories?

Well...You do have Him breaking the Sabbath which is a SIN...so it would make sense you would stone Him His judgement...Because ironically He WAS judging other “Do Gooders” their Sabbath keeping...and “loosening” the Sabbath from their version of good doing...
You don't make sense. Jesus broke the Sabbath in that he did work that day and told someone else to pick up and carry his bed. It was against the law to pick up and carry.

Just like you the Pharisees had their own thoughts on and schemes for Sabbatismos... a seventh day rest for His people...
Didn't you just earlier say Jesus told the disciples to do what the Pharisees and teachers of the law said to do? Now you say they had it wrong about the Sabbath. Just as you have it wrong.

Fruits reveal you are not His people...and working awfully hard NOT to rest on His Holy day...lol...
I rest in Jesus all day every day.

You are a defiler of many.

Hebrews 12:15 See to it that no one falls short of the grace of God and that no bitter root grows up to cause trouble and defile many.

Yet you be claiming resting every day...from what? Even Pagans do that every night they go to sleep!

Resting every day...when do you work? What does the bible say about sloth or squatters in His kingdom?
Pagans are not saved.
 

God's Truth

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Repeating falsehoods is something that you do constantly. They are still falsehoods.

There are many things in the Bible that are referred to as good news.


Jesus is the good news.

Mark 1:1 [ John the Baptist Prepares the Way ] The beginning of the good news about Jesus the Messiah, the Son of God,



There is only one good news that saves.

Mark 1:14 After the arrest of John, Jesus went into Galilee and proclaimed the gospel of God. 15“The time is fulfilled,” He said, “and the kingdom of God is near. Repent and believe in the gospel!”




There is no other gospel that saves.


Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.



No such thing as another gospel by Paul. Paul says no other gospel, not even if he taught it.

What if someone came up and taught one of those people another gospel---since you say there are many---so you claim if they taught one of these other gospels, then they are accursed? Now how does that make sense to you?
 
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God's Truth

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Where did I say that people are not justified by faith? That sounds like a false accusation.

You said people are justified by Jesus before they were born sinners. How is one justified before they are born sinners? We have to have faith that Jesus washes our sins away.
 

God's Truth

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Are you speaking of the Jesus Christ that died only for the Sheep?

When Jesus came to earth, there were people that belonged to God, and they were God's sheep.

While Jesus walked the earth and had his earthly ministry, he taught how to become sheep so that anyone can be saved too after he was crucified.
 

beloved57

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You said people are justified by Jesus before they were born sinners. How is one justified before they are born sinners? We have to have faith that Jesus washes our sins away.

Again where did I say people are not justified by faith? You flat out bear false witness.
 

beloved57

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When Jesus came to earth, there were people that belonged to God, and they were God's sheep.

While Jesus walked the earth and had his earthly ministry, he taught how to become sheep so that anyone can be saved too after he was crucified.

Sounds like to me you have manufactured a jesus
 

God's Truth

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Sounds like to me you have manufactured a jesus

You are the one who goes by Spurgeon who goes by Calvin who goes by the teaching of other false teachers of a false teacher.


Just look at the men you boast about, the fake Jesus manufacturers themselves.
 

beloved57

Well-known member
Let's solve the matter right here and now.

Question: Do you teach a person has to believe in Jesus first to be saved?

What I believe is here on this site and has been for years. Where did I say people are not justified by faith? You made it up right?
 

God's Truth

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Again where did I say people are not justified by faith? You flat out bear false witness.

You are a false witness, and do you know what happens to people such as yourself?

This is what you said when I said we are justified by faith:


Thats in your religion, however in my Faith, those my Jesus Christ died for are Justified and have been justified by His death even before they are born sinners.

Rom 5:1 doesnt say we have faith first to be justified ! Thats you saying that and its false teaching !
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Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:


You didn't just lie about me, you lied about God.
 
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