Or even the opposing side... :french:
Oh man! You gotta forgive my typos. I'm always in such a rush when I type these posts! :bang:
I limited the scope in my opening question. Is there a problem with that?
No, there's no problem. I just thought that you had some special reason to single out radio active elements, that's all.
Doesn't the fact that they aren't in a special category sort of take the wind out of the argument? Or am I missing something?
My thoughts as to why they probably didn't exist before the flood are along the same lines as JR, I don't think that these elements that are so destructive to life would have been part of the "very good" creation. Again, this is my opinion.
They aren't very dangerous at all in their natural state. They only get dangerous when we mine them and concentrate them into large quantities of pure elements. Uranium mines produce a lot of Radon gas which is itself a radio active substance and is much more dangerous than the uranium ore itself. If not for Radon, uranium mining would be much, if any, more dangerous than mining salt.
Plus, it turns out that they are very useful. They're used in all sorts of industries not the least of which is the medical industry where they are used to both detect and treat all sort of things like nearly every kind of cancer you've ever heard of. They are found in every smoke detector ever made. They used to produce electricity. Etc, etc, etc. Radio activity is a good thing!
I'm curious, do you think that poisonous plants or venomous animals didn't exist before Adam's fall?
The point is that they exist and that there various ideas as to the why's and how's. I believe that there are better and more scientific explanations than distance star dust and nebular accretion.
How about the explanation that says that God made the world that way? There is strong evidence that the earth was definitely created with radio active elements and that their existence is proof that the Earth had to have been created instantly.
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OK, I never said all. But I see how you could take it that way.
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Bringing precision to one another's arguments is precisely what "iron sharpening iron" looks like.
Really?... now you are claiming knowledge that you cannot possibly have. You know for a fact that no radioactive elements on the Moon or Mars originated on the earth? How do you know this?
I never intended to suggest that NO radioactive elements were deposited on these bodies but merely that the processes discussed in Walt Brown's theory could not account for the uneven ground distributions of these elements nor the concentrations of gaseous isotopes that we know exist on Mars. How could ANY xenon 129, or any xenon of any kind for that matter, get to Mars from Earth much less get there in quantities sufficient to create concentrations in Mars' atmosphere greater than exist here?
And how do know that they "would be spread over the entire surface quite evenly"?
Because they are crazy far away. The overwhelming majority of stuff ejected from the Earth would never find anything at all other than empty space and the minuscule fraction that somehow managed to get thrown toward Mars would have had to be thrown in precisely the right direction at just the right moment or else it would have missed the planet altogether. Then, once it got there it would have had to enter through Mars' atmosphere where another uncountable number of variables would have scattered the Earth dust all over the place. There no way that the heavy concentrations of radio active uranium, thorium and potassium that are found in a few concentrated spots in the northern part of Mars could have come from the expulsion of debris caused by the start of Noah's flood. The concentrations are so high that there are serious minded people who actually considered the idea that some natural nuclear explosion occurred on the surface of Mars.
https://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2015/pdf/2660.pdf :readthis:
Why would they be spread evenly? Many of the ejections are large chunks. Many large enough to form asteroids and trans-Neptunian objects, possibly including Pluto.
Are you suggesting here that large chunks of radio active elements were not only created but then immediately ejected at the beginning of Noah's flood?
Do you suppose the it was just one or two large radio active chunks or was it many billions of tons? The reason I ask that is because if it was just one or two chunks then hitting Mars with it was the lucky bullseye shot of all time. Just astoundingly unlikely. Like on the order of unlikely that is shared by the theory of evolution. We're talking odds against in numbers we don't have names for.
If, on the other hand you're suggesting that it was a truly large quantity of radio active material that was ejected and that it would have been inevitable that some of it would end up on Mars, then where's the rest of it? Asteroids aren't highly radio active if they are at all and more importantly, no process discussed in Brown's theory would suggest that the vast majority of radio active material that existed on the Earth was ejected into space and so you'd have have many times as much left on Earth as was ejected, which we don't see.
That seems highly speculative without warrant. Kind of like the whole nebular accretion model. Chunks of earth that contained freshly created radio-isotopes seems far more likely to me. Even the term "natural nuclear explosion" seem to me to be quite a stretch.
I agree! I don't mean to suggest that I endorse such a notion. In fact, I'm pretty sure that it has been abandoned as a viable theory. My only point in bringing it up was to point out just how concentrated these areas of radio active elements are. It isn't a small amount by any means as you'd expect if its source was some sort of ejection from Earth. From Earth, Mars is a pretty tiny target to hit to start with and the processes involved in getting any of that debris to Mars would very chaotic and random which would send very nearly all of it into orbits that would eventually end up depositing it back onto the Earth or else sending it into empty space.
The earth facing side of the Moon shows that it was bombarded by these large chunks of earth. While the far side does not. One of the reasons that the moon is always facing the same way towards earth seems to be due to the additional mass that it acquired from the earth's projectiles.
This is not accurate. The far side of the Moon is WAY more cratered than the Earth facing side and the tidal lock between the Earth and Moon has nothing to do with the higher mass on the far side. The tidal lock is due to the Moon's proximity to the Earth, not its distribution of mass. In fact, the heavier mass on the far side is an effect of the tidal lock not a cause of it.
Also, orbital dynamics are quite complex. Anything expelled from the Earth would not simply shoot away from the Earth like a bullet and strike the Moon. The debris would be sent into orbit. Some of those orbits would be eccentric enough to interact with the Moon and even collide with it but the point is that the paths would be orbitally curved and some would impact the Earth facing side and others the far side. Whether either would be more prevalent than the other is hard to say.
Because gasses diffuse in a vacuum. You cannot expel a blob of gas into space and expect it to still be a blob of gas after it got to a planet that is 140 million miles away (on average).
And leaving the vacuum of space to the side for a moment, the solar wind alone would have dispersed it long before it ever got to Mars and even if by some miracle it got to Mars it would have enter the Martian atmosphere from space which we have no theory that give us any mechanism that could permit that to occur at all. Gasses simply do not migrate from areas of lesser pressure to higher pressure. It's always the other way around.
The events occurred over a longer period of time than you seem to think, at least according to Dr. Brown's theory.
Forty days - maximum.
The rains produced by these jets of water ended in 40 days and so the ejections could not have been occurring for even that long.
Thanks Clete... you have my total respect and I could not possibly agree with you more regarding the many morons that we have here.
I always enjoy your comments, even the ones that I may disagree with.
This is fun! Reminds of the old days! :BRAVO:
