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  • #76
    Originally posted by RogerB
    Did anyone really expect aomething different from Zak's first post? Next he's going to ask for flesh and blood, gotta see it with my own two eyes proof. As if man can even begin to define God in terms we understand or limit His existence to what we will accept as logical.
    Actually, it was a very good way to start the debate. Establishing a working definition that is fully understood by both parties is an essential beginning to a debate. If there is not a concise and mutually agreed-upon definition for "God," then the debate is sunk from the first post. Otherwise, both parties can argue in favor or against the existence of God -- by their individual definitions -- and never gain ground on the other because the other is debating something completely different.
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    • #77
      Originally posted by Eireann
      The only thing he accomplished, though, was failing to prove the negative (as was his intent). Unfortunately, failing to disprove a negative does not prove a positive, which is something Kant didn't quite get. In the end, he only managed to prove that he couldn't prove God doesn't exist, but he was no closer to being able to prove he does.
      Emmaus Road: On reading your post, I have to say I agree.

      Kant attempted to show how philosophy could prove the existence of God. Unfortunately, for him his previous work showed that we could not know reality directly as thing-in-itself. What is real in itself is beyond our experience. Even if God exists, we can not know God as he is.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Zakath
        PM me and I'll discuss it with you if you wish.
        Zakath, the evangelist.

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        • #79
          Re: I need more ...

          Originally posted by Hilston
          Hi Erieann,

          Do you know the answer to my question?
          Only Zak truly knows the answer to that question. I can assume, from his background and most of what he's posted in the past that he is a true atheist, assuming he is truthful about his lack of belief.

          A true atheist can still be persuaded to believe in something if faced with incontrovertible evidence, as with an agnostic. The primary difference is that an atheist believes there is nothing out there, while an agnostic believes there is something out there that is higher than us (or at least, there probably is) but makes no commitment as to what that "something" is. The agnostic simply does not subscribe to any particular mythology or dogma regarding that "something." That would be my own position, as opposed to an atheist who doesn't believe at all in anything paranormal.
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          • #80
            What does Zakath mean

            Originally posted by Zakath
            BTW, it's "Zay-kath". Long "a" and accent on the first syllable, short "a" in the second. It's a common error since Mallorean is quite a bit different than English...
            What does this name (Zakath) mean? Is it some evil mantra calling up the prince of darkness? Something akin to Beetleguice.

            Just curious.

            And what is Mallorean? Never heard of that either.
            That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world.
            Philippians 2:15

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            • #81
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              Last edited by sawrie; June 25th, 2003, 07:41 AM.

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              • #82
                Originally posted by sawrie
                Enyart's home church is Derby Bible Church in Colorado. Its pastors teach that God changes his mind, and does not know the future (Moral Government Theology).

                I pulled this off a gospel.net's Apologetics Index and am wondering (if this is true) how a man could support a pastor with such views?
                Your pretty much wrong on everything you stated.

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                • #83
                  Lightson,

                  Zakath can actually a play on words...

                  First off, it is a character from David Eddings' novels. He is the atheistic emperor of a place called Mallorea.

                  Secondly, Zakath or Zakat, is arabic for the almsgiving required of all good Muslims, the sharing of one's substance with other truly needy people. I only found out this second meaning after a close acquaintance converted to Islam.

                  But I am not a Muslim, a Christian, or a religionist of any stripe.

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Zakath
                    But I am not a Muslim, a Christian, or a religionist of any stripe.
                    Which isn't to be confused with having "faith".

                    Zakath has plenty of "faith".
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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by sawrie
                      To Zakath

                      Two things

                      1.) Whatever is eternal cannot change as change is a proof something is not perfect.

                      2.) God cannot be known through knowledge (although knowledge can prove His existance) God must be know through experiance and seeing our physical senses only deal with the physical world God must not be sought through them rather by our spirit....
                      I'm already debating one preacher this week, sawrie. If you'd like to get in line after St. Bob the Broadcaster, you can have the next turn.

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by Knight
                        Which isn't to be confused with having "faith".

                        Zakath has plenty of "faith".
                        As do many folks here. Where we differ is the object of our faith...

                        "Everyone's gotta believe in something. I believe I'll have another drink!"

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Zakath
                          As do many folks here. Where we differ is the object of our faith...

                          "Everyone's gotta believe in something. I believe I'll have another drink!"
                          I agree!

                          I was simply clarifying for some of our more banal members.
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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Freak
                            Zakath, the evangelist.
                            Nah, I'n not a real evangelist. I don't take up a love offering...

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by Zakath
                              "Everyone's gotta believe in something. I believe I'll have another drink!"
                              And what exactly is that you are drinking? You appear to be suckin' 'em down pretty fast.
                              That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world.
                              Philippians 2:15

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                              • #90
                                Guinness, laddie, Guinness!

                                Nectar of the Irish...

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