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  • Originally posted by Bigotboy The point of all the foregoing was to point out that we do not have a "naturally" ocurring sense of what is good for others.
    Of course we do. It's called "empathy". Most of us understand instinctually that what hurts us, will also hurt others, and that what is good for us will also be good for others. Humans have made laws banning robery and murder not because they all want to rob and murder, but because they understand that if they allow it to happen to their neighbors today, it may well happen to them tomorrow. I agree that this is probably a self-centered motive, but it does also show that we have the capacity to empathize.

    Do you want to rob and murder people? Is the only thing stopping to a law against it? If so, then perhaps the problem here is that you are one of those few among us that we have to have the laws for, and this is why you can't grasp the idea that most of us don't want to rob or murder anyone regardless of whether or not there is a law against it.
    Originally posted by Bigotboy We are much more motivated by what is good for us. It suits us to not murder a few people close to us, as they are useful for our survival, but we have no problem going down to the next village and wiping them out and taking their supplies.
    Just as most individuals do not wish to rob and murder anyone, most "vllages" do not wish to rob and murder the village down the road, either. But as there are exceptions among individuals, some groups will be the exception, too, and will attack their neighbors. Sometimes the criminals manage to take control of whole countries, and then the whole country becomes criminal. But again, this is more the exception than the rule.
    Originally posted by Bigotboy This is freedom of choice, and is the logical result of humans setting their own standards. Lots of history to support this observation.
    But since you have already convinced yourself that we are ALL bloodthursty thieves and murderers, that's all the history you see. You completely ignore the fact that most people never kill anyone, most villages never attack their neighbors, and most nations are not out to conquer every other nation.

    Perhaps you should ask yourself why you are so adamant about viewing human being in such a dishonest and negative light. What kind of person has your religion made you?
    Originally posted by Bigotboy On the other hand, we have standards given by God to which some hope to aspire. These two ideals meet in the streets of Calcutta, where people like Agnes Bojaxhiu, motivated by the love of God, take care of people who are thown aside by people who are motivated by the "natural" kindness of evolution.
    Just a small percentage of human being are very violent and destructive, there is also a small percentage of human beings who become exceptionally empathetic and kind. Neither of these prove that we are all evil bloodthursty thieves and killers, though. Because we simply are not.

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    • Wow, this is quite a long thread.

      Apparently BE was wrong about the rotation of the sun, it's counterclockwise as is the orbit of the planets...

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      • i remember this thread when it was all just fields
        When it is not in our power to follow what is true, we ought to follow what is most probable.
        - Rene Descartes

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        • Truth is already evident in the building blocks of our universe: mathematics.

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          • Blessing for Bob Enyart, from JCS Ministries, Puerto Rico (Jesus Coming Soon). We salute you for your awesome work!

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            • Battle Royale VII - Bob Enyart vs. Zakath




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              • Originally posted by Flake View Post
                i remember this thread when it was all just fields

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