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  • IS the one-on-one done? Never mind.
    Galatians 5:22-23 (New International Version)

    But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

    What are my fruits today?

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    • Originally posted by CabinetMaker View Post
      IS the one-on-one done? Never mind.
      Ask AMR, it's been his turn to respond for nearly 6 days now.

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      • Originally posted by ghost View Post
        We also need to avoid claiming that Jesus has two natures, minds, souls/spirits.

        I use to say that Jesus was not fully human/man, because of all the false teaching I had to counter that redefined the man He is. It was wrong for me to phrase it as such, but I did so to counter the "two-nature, two soul/spirit, double-minded Jesus. Jesus is the perfect man with God's nature, who had to learn to speak, to walk, etc.
        I think that only two natures have ever been the norm, not "minds" or "souls/spirits." But, regardless, if Jesus has but one nature, is it human or divine, or a mixture 50/50 60/40, or something altogether different?
        If divine, how was he our sacrificial substitute? If human, how could he atone for sin? On the basis of his perfect life, and perfect keeping of the Law, he would have been saved, but with no merit left over for us.

        Just something to keep you busy while AMR is otherwise occupied. And do you see that you could be accused of Docetism given the second sentence of your quote above?

        Peace,
        Rick

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        • Two natures in one person is standard. Two minds, souls, spirits, bodies, or whatever would be more straw man.
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          They said: "Where is the God of Elijah?"
          I say: "Where are the Elijahs of God?" (Ravenhill "Why Revival Tarries")

          Rev. 1:17, 18; Jer. 9:23, 24

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          • Originally posted by Brother Ducky View Post
            I think that only two natures have ever been the norm, not "minds" or "souls/spirits."
            If you conclude that God did not die on the cross for our sins, then you have two independent beings.

            If divine, how was he our sacrificial substitute?
            God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself. We were reconciled to God through His death Romans 5:10

            And do you see that you could be accused of Docetism given the second sentence of your quote above?
            No

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            • Originally posted by ghost View Post
              If you conclude that God did not die on the cross for our sins, then you have two independent beings.

              God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself. We were reconciled to God through His death Romans 5:10

              No
              The Word made flesh who is God died on the cross, the God-Man. The triune God, Father, Son, Holy Spirit did not incarnate, so they did not die. Your logic does not follow for a trinitarian view (but it may follow vs non sequitur for a modalistic/oneness view that only recognizes one person in the Godhead).
              Know God and make Him known! (YWAM)

              They said: "Where is the God of Elijah?"
              I say: "Where are the Elijahs of God?" (Ravenhill "Why Revival Tarries")

              Rev. 1:17, 18; Jer. 9:23, 24

              "No Compromise!" (Keith Green)

              The Pledge: He died for me; I'll live for Him.

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              • Originally posted by ghost View Post
                If you conclude that God did not die on the cross for our sins, then you have two independent beings.
                I am not quite sure what you mean by this. Do you hold that the second person of the Trinity died and for a period of time there was a "Binity" Godhead?

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                • I know it's bad form to kick a man when he's down, but I saw this one coming.

                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y55wvdcCJfk

                  I knew this guy couldn't handle a rational debate.

                  Rock on Ghost.

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                  • Originally posted by Guyver View Post
                    I know it's bad form to kick a man when he's down, but I saw this one coming.

                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y55wvdcCJfk

                    I knew this guy couldn't handle a rational debate.

                    Rock on Ghost.
                    I have to agree

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                    • Originally posted by rocketman View Post
                      I have to agree

                      Matt. 12:34 You offspring of vipers, how can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks.
                      I think he stopped his anti-psychotic's one day too soon. :]

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                      • Lying through 95 % of your statements is not a rational debate guyver. AMR posted nothing but lies and slander concerning ghost.

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                        • Originally posted by voltaire View Post
                          Lying through 95 % of your statements is not a rational debate guyver. AMR posted nothing but lies and slander concerning ghost.
                          Right. Ghost was crying from post one.

                          Eeeew......I post this under protest.....wah wah!

                          No skills.

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                          • Originally posted by voltaire View Post
                            Lying through 95 % of your statements is not a rational debate guyver. AMR posted nothing but lies and slander concerning ghost.
                            Better to expose the lies or and flame out?

                            Cursing the mans family?
                            “To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”

                            ― Theodore Roosevelt

                            Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem

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                            • Originally posted by voltaire View Post
                              Lying through 95 % of your statements is not a rational debate guyver. AMR posted nothing but lies and slander concerning ghost.
                              This is not true. I will suggest that AMR may be stereotyping or lumping ghost in with the whole heresy when ghost (not the host with the most) has a similar point or two, but more differences. He may be Docetic on one small point, but that does not mean he embraces or is guilty of Doceticism as a whole. I would expect AMR to catch this rookie mistake.

                              Just because Arminians believe in free will does not make them Pelagians (Calvinistic false assumption).

                              Just because Socinus was right about the nature of the future does not mean Open Theists are Socinists (he denied the Deity of Christ, which Open Theists do not).

                              I think ghost has some aspects similar to some heresies, but his views are unique and inaccurate, but not off the deep end in total like Doceticism, Gnosticism, etc.

                              AMR is right to take him to task and note some parallels, but would probably be wrong to lump him in totally with these major heresies.

                              Ghost is guilty of the same and worse, though. He can dish it out, but he cannot take it.

                              He should not scold us for rejecting his truth because of his behavior. He should take responsibility for his fleshliness and let his views rise or fall on their own merit. Likewise, AMR's self-control and sophistication does not mean he is right about everything (but his vocab alone can intimidate people into silence).

                              The mediate position is to accept me as right, a better guru then both. PM me for my address so you can all send me money.
                              Know God and make Him known! (YWAM)

                              They said: "Where is the God of Elijah?"
                              I say: "Where are the Elijahs of God?" (Ravenhill "Why Revival Tarries")

                              Rev. 1:17, 18; Jer. 9:23, 24

                              "No Compromise!" (Keith Green)

                              The Pledge: He died for me; I'll live for Him.

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                              • Originally posted by WizardofOz View Post
                                Better to expose the lies or and flame out?

                                Cursing the mans family?
                                There is no excuse for his profanity and attacks. Anyone who dares say anything about his family risks death, but he can dish it out.

                                Jesus does not curse people and wish that they go to hell (yet ghost will use His name in vain and claim Spirit support for his sinfulness).
                                Know God and make Him known! (YWAM)

                                They said: "Where is the God of Elijah?"
                                I say: "Where are the Elijahs of God?" (Ravenhill "Why Revival Tarries")

                                Rev. 1:17, 18; Jer. 9:23, 24

                                "No Compromise!" (Keith Green)

                                The Pledge: He died for me; I'll live for Him.

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