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  • AJ4Yeshua
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    Render therefore unto Caesar the things which be Caesar's,
    and unto God the things which be God's. Luk 20:25

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  • bill betzler
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    If the laws of any land exalt themselves over the law of God, no Christian is under obligation to keep such laws! If the law of a land requires a Christian to MURDER someone, better to die than to disobey God.
    Quick question Rapt, Should Christians die as lambs or buy guns and fight to the death?

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  • Hitch
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    Originally posted by rapt
    If Jaltus can "judge" that Calvin was "correct" to kill Servetus, then I can judge by his words whether he knows God or if he has murder in his heart. If I and others have not this right, then the bible is a lie. I'll let God be true, and every man that denies His Word and the rights He gives His church be a liar.

    I continue to see hypocrits wresting Romans 13 to their own destruction, as they do also the other scriptures, just like Peter said they would.

    If the laws of any land exalt themselves over the law of God, no Christian is under obligation to keep such laws! If the law of a land requires a Christian to MURDER someone, better to die than to disobey God.

    Had the Germans of Nazi Germany been committed to Jesus Christ more than to Hitler and their own prejudice, they would not have incured the guilt of the MURDER of eight million innocent Jews.

    CHOOSE THIS DAY WHOM YE WILL SERVE. NO MAN CAN SERVE TWO MASTERS. CEASAR IS NOT GOD!
    Well I love Calvin and the Psalms... I reckon that makes me murderer by proxy twice.

    HITCH

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  • Huldrych
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    Originally posted by rapt
    Had the Germans of Nazi Germany been committed to Jesus Christ more than to Hitler and their own prejudice, they would not have incured the guilt of the MURDER of eight million innocent Jews.
    Some were, but thank you for that bit of hindsight, rapt.

    jth

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  • rapt
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    If Jaltus can "judge" that Calvin was "correct" to kill Servetus, then I can judge by his words whether he knows God or if he has murder in his heart. If I and others have not this right, then the bible is a lie. I'll let God be true, and every man that denies His Word and the rights He gives His church be a liar.

    I continue to see hypocrits wresting Romans 13 to their own destruction, as they do also the other scriptures, just like Peter said they would.

    If the laws of any land exalt themselves over the law of God, no Christian is under obligation to keep such laws! If the law of a land requires a Christian to MURDER someone, better to die than to disobey God.

    Had the Germans of Nazi Germany been committed to Jesus Christ more than to Hitler and their own prejudice, they would not have incured the guilt of the MURDER of eight million innocent Jews.

    CHOOSE THIS DAY WHOM YE WILL SERVE. NO MAN CAN SERVE TWO MASTERS. CEASAR IS NOT GOD!
    Last edited by rapt; October 12, 2002, 06:24 PM.

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  • Huldrych
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    Subtraction and addition...

    Originally posted by Jaltus
    <shakes his head>

    My point, oh prognosticators and judges of myself, was that Servitus was tried according to the laws of the town and BANISHED! He was told that he would be killed upon returning, and the man BROKE THE LAW BY RETURNING!
    Thanks for bringing that to light, Jaltus.

    And it's a classic example of what happens when you fail to look at all the facts. The details left out tend to gang up and leave teeth marks in your glutes.

    And, while I have your attention (Solly, you might want to read this, too), I've done some more work into getting to the bottom of this "Unrevidiert" problem I came across with the Luther 1545 versions found online.

    A Dr. Michael Bolsinger seems to be the source for a lot of the electronic texts (found at luther-bibel-1545.de, a few other sites, and used in Bible programs like the Sword Project and Elbiwin). Now, I discovered that his source document is the 1545 printed by Hans Lufft in Wittenberg. That is the exact version I have on my shelf.

    If that is the case, then my question is, how can he honestly advertise his text as "unrevised," when it seems he has deliberately added a verse (1. John 5:7) not found in the original?

    I sent him an email asking, politely, for an explanation for this. I'll let you guys know what sort of response I get.

    He's also done some other changes as well, for example, In the original, Mt. 8:12, 22:13, and 25:30 leave out the "outmost darkness" found in Luther versions before and after the 1545. He revises them to conform with the other versions. This flat-out disqualifies the text he presents as "unrevised," from what I've gathered so far.

    Please keep in mind that my big issue is integrity in scholarship. Whether or not 1 John 5:7 should belong in the Bible is another debate entirely. The main concern I have here is over transmitting, accurately, what was actually found in Luther's 1545.

    jth

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  • Jaltus
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    <shakes his head>

    My point, oh prognosticators and judges of myself, was that Servitus was tried according to the laws of the town and BANISHED! He was told that he would be killed upon returning, and the man BROKE THE LAW BY RETURNING!

    Are you telling me that he was right to go against the law of the land? Try reading Romans 13!

    By the way, rapt and Rev, who are you to question my salvation? Are you God? Do you stand in His place?

    I have a lot more to say to rapt and his little sidekick, but I will hold it in for now.

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  • bill betzler
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    Calvin was correct in killing Servitus, the man denyed the Trinity and was told to stay away from Geneva or he would be killed. Coming back was just plain stupid.
    Dare I say that I'm non-trinitarian. You could have leaned something from Evangelion on this one.

    The police on the east coast are looking for the common denominator for the sniper killings. Shall we suggest non-trinitarian.

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  • rapt
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    Thanks, Arminian, for this EXCELLENT expose` on Calvinism:

    http://www.biblelife.org/calvinism.htm


    Jeremiah 17:5

    Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.

    Jer 7:8

    Behold, ye trust in lying words, that cannot profit.

    9 Will ye steal, murder, and commit adultery, and swear falsely, and burn incense unto Baal, and walk after other gods whom ye know not;

    10 And come and stand before me in this house, which is called by my name, and say, We are delivered to do all these abominations?

    11 Is this house, which is called by my name, become a den of robbers in your eyes? Behold, even I have seen it, saith the LORD.
    Last edited by rapt; October 12, 2002, 05:39 AM.

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  • rapt
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    I expect Pilgrimagain to come to Jaltus' rescue and say "Well said Jaltus" concerning his statement that Calivin's murder of Servetus was "correct".

    Am I right, PA?
    Last edited by rapt; October 12, 2002, 05:00 AM.

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