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  • #46
    That definition of "standard" wouldn't fit in with "Standard American English."
    How about the defintion for "Standard English" in the American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, 4th Ed.?

    "The variety of English that is generally acknowledged as the model for the speech and writing of educated speakers."

    On the usage note, it says:

    "Sometimes it is used to denote the variety of English prescribed by traditional prescriptive norms, and in this sense it includes rules and usages that many educated speakers don't systematically conform to in their speech or writing, such as the rules for use of who and whom."
    In other words, it's prescriptive, not descriptive.

    It also says:

    "Standard English in this sense shouldn't be regarded as being necessarily correct or unexceptionable, since it will include many kinds of language that could be faulted on various grounds, [. . .] Thus while the term can serve a useful descriptive purpose providing the context makes its meaning clear, it shouldn't be construed as conferring any absolute positive evaluation."

    This isn't the not-wrong thread for this discussion.
    Dr. Deutsch
    Praecipitatum verius quam editum "Thrown together rather than edited."
    -Erasmus describing his Textus Receptus (the MS the KJV/NKJV is translated from)

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Ginger
      I do believe we still need the 5 fold ministry. I never said otherwise.

      The problem I have is when the words of men are added to the scripture and their words made into doctrine. Their words are not the inspired words of God. This is why there is division, and will only distance us from the unity of the faith. The only way we will ever attain to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ is if we renew our selves in His Words.

      Eph 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
      27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
      The only way men can AVOID adding their own words to scripture is to simply read them with NO comment. I can READ for myself.

      Surely Jesus did not establish these offices in order for men to simply RECITE the scriptures?

      In all fairness, I understand the concern to AVOID adding unscriptural ideas and philosophies to God's Word. I have the same concern. But teachers and preachers and even people on this forum serve a valuable purpose. We provoke each other to study and compare one another's ideas against the Word of God. Just because someone gives us their interpretation of the scripture, we should not accept it at face value. As we study God's Word, God's Spirit will show us whether those ideas are true or false.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by drdeutsch
        This isn't the not-wrong thread for this discussion.
        Dr. Deutsch
        I don't disagree with you.

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        • #49
          Redeemed,

          I see that you do agree with me.

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          • #50
            1 for Dr. Deutsch 0 for Jaltus

            Well for those who don't know, my good friend Jaltus is what one might call the "Gramamr Nazi". Among his favorite no-no's that are sure to get his hackles up are:
            - anyways
            - anywho
            -ain't

            For the last three years I have always been able to get him riled with this. But Although he may be able to translate around me 6 ways from Sunday in Greek, lets adjurn to the Old Testament and the fun begins.

            But as I was saying Dr. Deutsch is correct about Prescriptive vs. Descriptive language. Although according to the old addage "ain't ain't word", it is internally self contradictory for the very usage of ain't as a form of negation demonstrates that ain't communicates as a morpheme and thus satisfies all the qualifactions of a word,

            So If it walks like a word, talks like a word, sounds like a word, its probably a word.
            "Remember Jesus Christ, raised from the dead, descended from David. This is my Gospel." (2 Tim. 2:8)

            "There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus." (Romans 8:1)

            "You a luney," GP to anyone who gets too dogmatic on eschatology.

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            • #51
              My point about the double negative is that it is improper because, at least in written form, it negates itself.

              Therefore, not hardly means exactly! That is not what the person is trying to communicate, and therefore the meaning is changed because they used an improper method of forming a sentence.

              The question is, does sentence formation carry meaning or not?

              Good to see you, GP. Plan on commenting on the BR or just here to annoy me, hehe?
              For Greek conversion,

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              • #52
                G.A. Ripplinger a fraud!

                S9 come on she got her doctorate in home.ec. Which is not bad, but she tried to pass herself off as a man and as PhD in Biblical studies, so right fromt the start she is being dishonest about herself. James White wrote an excellant little book about all of her factual errors. She makes constant unsubstantiated claims, ad hominem attacks and whole mess of other things.

                So "New Age Bible Versions" is the worst book to use to substantiate your arguments. Don't use a fraudualant book to substantiate an already flawed argument.
                "Remember Jesus Christ, raised from the dead, descended from David. This is my Gospel." (2 Tim. 2:8)

                "There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus." (Romans 8:1)

                "You a luney," GP to anyone who gets too dogmatic on eschatology.

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                • #53
                  Bibles

                  Anyone, what is the oldest Bible in English, please?

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                  • #54
                    Re: Bibles

                    Originally posted by Hisown
                    Anyone, what is the oldest Bible in English, please?
                    My Word shall not come back to me empty.

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                    • #55
                      Tyndale, I believe. Could be wrong.
                      For Greek conversion,

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                      • #56
                        Either s9 is SERIOUSLY sandbagging, going completely off topic and giving Jaultus the initiative, in spite of going first; or he's in WAY over his head, and will probably not even agree with his original assertion when this debate is finished.

                        Don't let up, Jaltus.
                        I don't care how systematic your theology is, until you show me how biblical it is.

                        2 Tim 2:15 Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth.

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                        • #57
                          Earliest English Bible is the Wyclif Bible of 1388 (second edition, I cannot find a date for the first edition).
                          For Greek conversion,

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                          • #58
                            Hello!!!

                            Is the debate regarding divine inspiration of the KJB or divine preservation via KJB? The BR seems to imply the former which is just totally ludicrous. Than again. It may be accurate.

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                            • #59
                              Oh my gosh.....

                              This might be bad. Did you see S9's post #2?

                              Although sometimes watching a train wreck is mesmerizing.
                              Oh, wise guy eh?

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by novice
                                Oh my gosh.....

                                This might be bad. Did you see S9's post #2?

                                Although sometimes watching a train wreck is mesmerizing.
                                Ditto!

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