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  • Clem
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    I think Church Leaders would feel shame.
    Many would then drop off the radar to plan their atonement in secret.
    Others would learn from their mistakes,
    before working with our Saviour tirelessly in cleaning up the mess
    that they were largely implicated in adding to !!

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  • Lighthouse
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    Originally posted by RandPaulfor2016 View Post
    How did Jesus follow the law in that case? Didn't the law say the adulterer should have been stoned? Jesus said no...
    So ignorant...

    Did you even bother trying to read the law on the matter before responding to me?

    Don't answer that, it's rhetorical, as you obviously did not.

    First we have the commandments of execution: Leviticus 20:10, Deuteronomy 22:22

    "The man who commits adultery with another man’s wife, he who commits adultery with his neighbor’s wife, the adulterer and the adulteress, shall surely be put to death."

    "If a man is found lying with a woman married to a husband, then both of them shall die—the man that lay with the woman, and the woman; so you shall put away the evil from Israel."

    Here we have the commandment regarding witnesses: Deuteronomy 17:6-7, 19:15

    "Whoever is deserving of death shall be put to death on the testimony of two or three witnesses; he shall not be put to death on the testimony of one witness. The hands of the witnesses shall be the first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hands of all the people. So you shall put away the evil from among you."

    "One witness shall not rise against a man concerning any iniquity or any sin that he commits; by the mouth of two or three witnesses the matter shall be established."

    Then there is the commandment on what to do if the people find it too hard to judge for themselves: Deuteronomy 17:8-11

    "If a matter arises which is too hard for you to judge, between degrees of guilt for bloodshed, between one judgment or another, or between one punishment or another, matters of controversy within your gates, then you shall arise and go up to the place which the Lord your God chooses. And you shall come to the priests, the Levites, and to the judge there in those days, and inquire of them; they shall pronounce upon you the sentence of judgment. You shall do according to the sentence which they pronounce upon you in that place which the Lord chooses. And you shall be careful to do according to all that they order you. According to the sentence of the law in which they instruct you, according to the judgment which they tell you, you shall do; you shall not turn aside to the right hand or to the left from the sentence which they pronounce upon you."

    Do you see all the elements that were missing in the situation with the adulteress brought before Jesus?

    The Republican Party is not only pro-choice in the vast majority of instances, they are also fradulent (Whether you like Ron Paul or not, just look at how they manipulated the voting system to make him lose by even more than he should have) and are pro-violation of the sixth commandment against Middle Easterners who have already been born. The idea that anyone would say that Jesus would vote for them, in general, is quite laughable to me.
    What is the sixth commandment, as you understand it?

    If Jesus voted at all, I seriously doubt he would care about superficial things like political party. I think he'd care a lot more about how much they followed Bible verses like "Thou shall not steal," "Let not a Christian be known... a busybody in other people's matters", "Thou shall not murder," and so on, than what party they identified with.
    I agree.

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  • Ktoyou
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    Depends on what mainstream church. Those who fully believe in Jesus would come to know Him. Not all of any church would be willing.

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  • Christian Liberty
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    Originally posted by Lighthouse View Post
    While I cannot completely disagree with your assessment [Jesus certainly would not be a Republican, not in this day and age] I fear there is much about Jesus you do not understand.

    For instance, Jesus followed the law regarding the adulteress. So it seems you also do not know the law that should have been your tutor and pointed you to Christ.
    How did Jesus follow the law in that case? Didn't the law say the adulterer should have been stoned? Jesus said no...

    The Republican Party is not only pro-choice in the vast majority of instances, they are also fradulent (Whether you like Ron Paul or not, just look at how they manipulated the voting system to make him lose by even more than he should have) and are pro-violation of the sixth commandment against Middle Easterners who have already been born. The idea that anyone would say that Jesus would vote for them, in general, is quite laughable to me.

    If Jesus voted at all, I seriously doubt he would care about superficial things like political party. I think he'd care a lot more about how much they followed Bible verses like "Thou shall not steal," "Let not a Christian be known... a busybody in other people's matters", "Thou shall not murder," and so on, than what party they identified with.

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  • Lighthouse
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    Originally posted by RandPaulfor2016 View Post
    Yeah, this is probably true in today's hyper PC world, but remember that back then they condemned him for not being judgmental enough. Remember that the Law said the adulterous woman should have been stoned. Jesus defied the Law and showed mercy. The hardcore, fascist leaning conservatives wouldn't like him much either.

    No he wouldn't. I'm not sure if Jesus would vote, but if he would, I'm almost certain he would have voted for Ron Paul, the only genuine Christian in the running and the only follower of his command that "Blessed are the peacemakers." He would NOT have voted for endless war in the Middle East. That just wasn't his MO. I suspect Jesus might not vote at all though.

    Oh, and Fox News wouldn't hire him, they'd accuse him of caring about Arabs too much...

    Now THIS is a winner...
    While I cannot completely disagree with your assessment [Jesus certainly would not be a Republican, not in this day and age] I fear there is much about Jesus you do not understand.

    For instance, Jesus followed the law regarding the adulteress. So it seems you also do not know the law that should have been your tutor and pointed you to Christ.

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  • Christian Liberty
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    Originally posted by Nick M View Post
    They would say he is mean and judgemental.
    Yeah, this is probably true in today's hyper PC world, but remember that back then they condemned him for not being judgmental enough. Remember that the Law said the adulterous woman should have been stoned. Jesus defied the Law and showed mercy. The hardcore, fascist leaning conservatives wouldn't like him much either.

    Originally posted by resurrected View Post
    and He would vote Republican
    No he wouldn't. I'm not sure if Jesus would vote, but if he would, I'm almost certain he would have voted for Ron Paul, the only genuine Christian in the running and the only follower of his command that "Blessed are the peacemakers." He would NOT have voted for endless war in the Middle East. That just wasn't his MO. I suspect Jesus might not vote at all though.

    Oh, and Fox News wouldn't hire him, they'd accuse him of caring about Arabs too much...

    Originally posted by Granite View Post
    In all seriousness I think most Christians wouldn't like what he had to say. (They don't seem to care for much of what he said as it is.)
    Now THIS is a winner...

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  • IMJerusha
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    Originally posted by Knight View Post
    The TheologyOnline.com TOPIC OF THE DAY for April 24th, 2013 05:00 AM


    toldailytopic: If Jesus had His ministry now in modern times, what would the mainstream Church think of His approach?






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    This question confuses me.
    There is no mainstream Church. There is one Church, One Body of believers in Yeshua.

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  • eameece
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    Originally posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    It's amusing that atheists seem to always have an opinion about the God that doesn't exist.
    The question was about Jesus. Not all atheists say Jesus didn't exist.

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  • Angel4Truth
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    Originally posted by Granite View Post
    Honestly, Angel, what the heck kind of question is this? No, I don't believe in Jesus. You're smart enough for me not to have spell this out for you. Don't sidetrack the thread.
    You said Jesus wasnt the problem and admit you believe in the supernatural, both strange and amazing things to me. So yes, sometimes you might need to spell that out for me.

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  • eameece
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    Originally posted by Knight View Post
    The TheologyOnline.com TOPIC OF THE DAY for April 24th, 2013 05:00 AM


    toldailytopic: If Jesus had His ministry now in modern times, what would the mainstream Church think of His approach?
    That's easy. They would string him up and crucify him, just as the mainstream church did before.

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  • Lighthouse
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    Originally posted by Knight View Post
    toldailytopic: If Jesus had His ministry now in modern times, what would the mainstream Church think of His approach?
    There would be no church.

    Am I taking things too literally?

    They'd call him a hypocrite for judging after telling us not to, because they wouldn't have been paying attention to what He actually said. Then they'd judge him for not forgiving the unrepentant. And also for hanging out with sinners who have repented.

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  • Granite
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    Originally posted by Angel4Truth View Post
    Then you dont believe in Jesus? You know a yes or no answer would be a little easier....
    Honestly, Angel, what the heck kind of question is this? No, I don't believe in Jesus. You're smart enough for me not to have spell this out for you. Don't sidetrack the thread.

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  • Angel4Truth
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    Originally posted by Granite View Post
    No, that's not what I said.
    Then you dont believe in Jesus? You know a yes or no answer would be a little easier....

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  • Granite
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    Originally posted by Angel4Truth View Post
    Then you believe in Jesus?
    No, that's not what I said.

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  • Angel4Truth
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    Originally posted by Granite View Post
    No, not really. The Jesus of the gospels wasn't the issue then, and still isn't.
    Then you believe in Jesus?

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