graceandpeace
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toldailytopic: What will heaven be like? Harps and clouds? Banquet? Streets of Gold?
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graceandpeace
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The 'meek' shall inherit the earth; albeit it is not this earth...or a physical earth..it is a spiritual place..in a since, 'heaven' is coming to earth. The heavenly city comes down OUT of heaven to the new earth...wherein righteousness dwells...we will be there..who wants to go to heaven, when God is going to be on a new earth; for He has said:
2 Pet 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
I want to be where the righteouss are...as well as God:
Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God [is] with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, [and be] their God.
I believe the New Jerusalem will be on the "new" earth; and it is not a physical place.
GoingGoldenWCU
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I'm a fan of C.S. Lewis' analysis:
"There is no need to be worried by facetious people who try to make the Christian hope of 'Heaven' ridiculous by saying they do not want 'to spend eternity playing harps'. The answer to such people is that if they cannot understand books written for grown-ups, they should not talk about them. All the scriptural imagery (harps, crowns, gold, etc.) is, of course, a merely symbolical attempt to express the inexpressible."
(Mere Christianity, "Hope")
"There is no need to be worried by facetious people who try to make the Christian hope of 'Heaven' ridiculous by saying they do not want 'to spend eternity playing harps'. The answer to such people is that if they cannot understand books written for grown-ups, they should not talk about them. All the scriptural imagery (harps, crowns, gold, etc.) is, of course, a merely symbolical attempt to express the inexpressible."
(Mere Christianity, "Hope")
Ezekiel 37, John 3, Revelation 21.
He is describing the New Covenant. So, no you don't.
Silent Hunter
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. . . or the Jews . . . or the Buddists . . . or the Hindus . . . or the . . . JW's . . . or the . . .Whatever it is, it will be an eternal existence experiencing the fullness of God. Unless the Mormons are right.
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Lovejoy
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. . . or the Jews . . . or the Buddists . . . or the Hindus . . . or the . . . JW's . . . or the . . .
Don't sell yourself short!
Lovejoy
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Hey, a little Psalmist style smack, nice! See, it does carry more weight when you wield it with some restraint.
Silent Hunter
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. . . LOL . . . sounds a lot like the notes I read on a debate between a theist and an atheist in a supposed extremely religious city in the Deep South . . . the atheists who showed up were surprised to encounter so many, like themselves, lacking a belief in a deity . . . they each thought they were the only atheist in town.
ddevonb
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Except Rev 21:1 clearly says their will be a new heaven and a new earth. They are not the same thing nor do they have the same purpose.
Not to let the cat out of that particular bag, but there really were only a couple of atheists. The rest of us showed up so they wouldn't feel badly about it. That's the way we are here.
I believe that 'to be absent from the body, is to be present with the LORD', which, to me, implies a soul/body dualism, therefore when a believer's body dies, it decays into dust, and the soul goes to be in the presence of the LORD, in heaven(which means up somewhere). I think that it is the New Jerusalem in which there are many abodes/dwellings. Just what transpires or what one perceives in that state, I don't know, but I expect it is a satisfied blissful peace. We will remain in that state until the time of the resurrection when our soul is united with our new glorified body and 'the judgement seat of Christ', a judgement of gain or loss of rewards, occurs. I believe that we were created to be a soul/body unity and that we are incomplete until then. I think that the body is the apparatus through which the created physical realm is perceived and experienced. This present earth will be purged and restored for the Millennial reign of Christ on David's throne for a thousand years and I believe the New Jerusalem will likely be a satellite to the earth at that time. At the end of the thousand year reign there will be a new heaven and new earth and the New Jerusalem will come down and connect with the new earth.
I don't believe that we were created to live as phantoms in a gaseous existence called 'heaven' , floating around on an indefineable spiritual substance, but that we were made to ultimately exist in a physical existence of new qualities which is of 'heavenly' influence.
I don't believe that we were created to live as phantoms in a gaseous existence called 'heaven' , floating around on an indefineable spiritual substance, but that we were made to ultimately exist in a physical existence of new qualities which is of 'heavenly' influence.
Heaven
An Open Theist was asked to be very quiet when Saint Peter led him past a building. "Why do I have to be so quiet? he asked.
"There are Calvinists in there," Saint Peter replied. "They think they are the only ones in heaven".:chuckle:
An Open Theist was asked to be very quiet when Saint Peter led him past a building. "Why do I have to be so quiet? he asked.
"There are Calvinists in there," Saint Peter replied. "They think they are the only ones in heaven".:chuckle:
:banana:
That'd be cool. Except for seeing all the people dying. :noid:
:think: We could put it all on fast forward and see if we can spot any evolution. :chuckle:
But perhaps there will be better things we can have a drink over.
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