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    Hi to all and I do not follow Jesus and YET many say that they do !!

    They say keep the commands of Jesus , BUT do they keep the 613 Laws that Jesus kept ??

    In 2 Cor 5;16 it reads , So then , from now ( on ) we Know no one according to ( the ) Flesh , and IF even we have Known Christ according to ( the ) FLESH , yet now we KNOW ( Him ) no more !!

    #1 , The Greek verb " KNOW /EIDO " is in the Prefect tense , and means that no one will NEVER KNOW Christ after the flesh , NEVER AGAIN !!

    #2 , And if you lived in that time period , NO ONE will ever know Him after the flesh ever again and you can not follow the Earthly Jesus !!

    #3 , The verb " KNOW /GINOSKO " is in the Present Tense and no one will ever know Him in Present Time in the flesh !!

    This means we have go to 1 Cor 11:1 and IMITATE Paul , just as Paul IMITATES Christ and practice Eph 3:9 and make all see what is the Dispensation of the Mystery !!

    We follow Paul as Paul follows Christ !!

    dan p

  • #2
    Originally posted by DAN P View Post


    We follow Paul as Paul follows Christ !!

    dan p
    so you believe Paul followed Jesus perfectly.

    You seem to honor Paul the same as Jesus.

    why do you have the need to follow Paul when Jesus gave us perfect teachings how to love God and love on another?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by DAN P View Post
      Hi to all and I do not follow Jesus and YET many say that they do !!


      dan p
      Sure you do. You follow the risen Lord Jesus Christ. Just make the distinction so others are not confused.
      Jesus saves completely. http://www.climatedepot.com/ http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

      Titus 1

      For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, whose mouths must be stopped

      Ephesians 5

      11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. 12 For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret

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      • #4
        Originally posted by DAN P View Post
        Hi to all and I do not follow Jesus and YET many say that they do !!

        They say keep the commands of Jesus , BUT do they keep the 613 Laws that Jesus kept ??

        In 2 Cor 5;16 it reads , So then , from now ( on ) we Know no one according to ( the ) Flesh , and IF even we have Known Christ according to ( the ) FLESH , yet now we KNOW ( Him ) no more !!

        #1 , The Greek verb " KNOW /EIDO " is in the Prefect tense , and means that no one will NEVER KNOW Christ after the flesh , NEVER AGAIN !!

        #2 , And if you lived in that time period , NO ONE will ever know Him after the flesh ever again and you can not follow the Earthly Jesus !!

        #3 , The verb " KNOW /GINOSKO " is in the Present Tense and no one will ever know Him in Present Time in the flesh !!

        This means we have go to 1 Cor 11:1 and IMITATE Paul , just as Paul IMITATES Christ and practice Eph 3:9 and make all see what is the Dispensation of the Mystery !!

        We follow Paul as Paul follows Christ !!

        dan p
        Well as Paul says: was Paul crucified for you? Hummm.... No! Paul was a great teacher and preacher but I'll follow Jesus thanks, He's my Saviour not Paul.

        BTW "know" appears twice in the verse. Which (using your reasoning ) means that after his conversion Paul knew no one after the flesh and that's ridiculous. As I have said before, the context determins the tense. Quite simply the plain meaning of the verse in its context is that before his conversion Paul regarded Christ as just another man.

        Pete 👤

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        • #5
          Originally posted by meshak View Post
          so you believe Paul followed Jesus perfectly.

          You seem to honor Paul the same as Jesus.

          why do you have the need to follow Paul when Jesus gave us perfect teachings how to love God and love on another?

          Hi , and did Moses follow God perfectly , NO !!

          Did Israel as a nation follow the Law perfectly , NO !!

          What happened to Israel ??

          They were scattered all over the world for their sins , right , YES !!

          We IMITATE Paul becaus 1 Cor 11:1 says to , does it not !!

          Rewards will determine how you view Paul , in Rom 2:16!!

          IMITATE Paul and Gain rewards or do it your WAY and receive NOTHING !!

          DAN P
          Last edited by DAN P; March 9th, 2017, 12:32 PM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by DAN P View Post
            Hi , and did Moses follow God perfectly , NO !!

            Did Israel as a nation follow the Law perfectly , NO !!
            Did Paul follow Jesus' law perfectly? No.

            Then why do you insist on following Paul when Jesus taught us how to love God and one another perfectly.

            This is what is Christianity is all about; loving God and loving one another.

            Jesus said so Himself.

            Jesus is the Lord.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by meshak View Post
              Did Paul follow Jesus' law perfectly? No.

              Then why do you insist on following Paul when Jesus taught us how to love God and one another perfectly.

              This is what is Christianity is all about; loving God and loving one another.

              Jesus said so Himself.

              Jesus is the Lord.
              You do not follow Jesus


              You are not saved
              you are not born again
              you do not love His brethren
              you support the Muslims murdering Trins
              You broke wedlock
              You lie
              One lavished upon in the Beloved
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Totton Linnet View Post
                You do not follow Jesus


                You are not saved
                you are not born again
                you do not love His brethren
                you support the Muslims murdering Trins
                You broke wedlock
                You lie
                You should obey Gods word, instead of exhibiting that mean streak you have---

                1Co 4:5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.

                LA
                My theology is that the elect of Israel became the scattered church among the nations, and when filled up with the full number of gentiles who believe to become one with them, then Christ will return and gather them, and God will then pour out His wrath on the unbelievers of both Jew and Gentile.

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                • #9
                  Hey TL,

                  How would you feel like usurping Jesus' place of judgment?

                  You don't know Jesus, yet claiming to be saved.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by DAN P View Post
                    Hi to all and I do not follow Jesus and YET many say that they do !!

                    They say keep the commands of Jesus , BUT do they keep the 613 Laws that Jesus kept ??

                    In 2 Cor 5;16 it reads , So then , from now ( on ) we Know no one according to ( the ) Flesh , and IF even we have Known Christ according to ( the ) FLESH , yet now we KNOW ( Him ) no more !!

                    #1 , The Greek verb " KNOW /EIDO " is in the Prefect tense , and means that no one will NEVER KNOW Christ after the flesh , NEVER AGAIN !!

                    #2 , And if you lived in that time period , NO ONE will ever know Him after the flesh ever again and you can not follow the Earthly Jesus !!

                    #3 , The verb " KNOW /GINOSKO " is in the Present Tense and no one will ever know Him in Present Time in the flesh !!

                    This means we have go to 1 Cor 11:1 and IMITATE Paul , just as Paul IMITATES Christ and practice Eph 3:9 and make all see what is the Dispensation of the Mystery !!

                    We follow Paul as Paul follows Christ !!

                    dan p
                    Dan, you probably won't believe this but today around 1:00 I had this exact same conversation with a southern baptist co-worker, including Nick's caveat!

                    "There is one thing worse than going to Hell. That would be going to Hell and having it be a surprise."
                    Terence Mc Lean

                    [most will be very surprised]


                    Everyone who has not believed the Gospel of grace is not saved, no matter what else they believe or do.
                    By that measure, how many professing Christians are on their way to the Lake of Fire?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by musterion View Post
                      Dan, you probably won't believe this but today around 1:00 I had this exact same conversation with a southern baptist co-worker, including Nick's caveat!

                      Dan doesn't believe you, but.

                      good insight there from both of you - good post Dan

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by DAN P View Post
                        Hi to all and I do not follow Jesus and YET many say that they do !!

                        They say keep the commands of Jesus , BUT do they keep the 613 Laws that Jesus kept ??

                        In 2 Cor 5;16 it reads , So then , from now ( on ) we Know no one according to ( the ) Flesh , and IF even we have Known Christ according to ( the ) FLESH , yet now we KNOW ( Him ) no more !!

                        #1 , The Greek verb " KNOW /EIDO " is in the Prefect tense , and means that no one will NEVER KNOW Christ after the flesh , NEVER AGAIN !!

                        #2 , And if you lived in that time period , NO ONE will ever know Him after the flesh ever again and you can not follow the Earthly Jesus !!

                        #3 , The verb " KNOW /GINOSKO " is in the Present Tense and no one will ever know Him in Present Time in the flesh !!

                        This means we have go to 1 Cor 11:1 and IMITATE Paul , just as Paul IMITATES Christ and practice Eph 3:9 and make all see what is the Dispensation of the Mystery !!

                        We follow Paul as Paul follows Christ !!

                        dan p

                        some will be shocked by your OP but it's really true, technically. nobody can do what Christ did. we can be believers, and in Christ and imitate Jesus. we strive to be Christlike just like Paul.

                        and look above my avatar:

                        1 Corinthians 4:15 KJV - 1 Corinthians 4:16 KJV -
                        Last edited by patrick jane; September 3rd, 2015, 04:32 PM.

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                        • #13
                          This thread is the reality of what is going on in the churches.

                          They put Paul in pedestal and set Jesus in the corner.

                          so sad.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by meshak View Post
                            This thread is the reality of what is going on in the churches.

                            They put Paul in pedestal and set Jesus in the corner.

                            so sad.
                            The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by drbrumley View Post
                              hello, dr. Nothing with your reaction.

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