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  • Originally posted by bibleverse2 View Post
    That's right, but both ways are still part of the one and only gospel of our salvation (Romans 1:16).

    See also post #64 above.


    Which gospel is the gospel of your salvation? (HINT: It's not the gospel of the kingdom).
    All of my ancestors are human.
    Originally posted by Squeaky
    That explains why your an idiot.
    Originally posted by God's Truth
    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    • Originally posted by bibleverse2 View Post
      (Going back to older posts in this thread which have not been replied to yet.)

      As was Paul, with regard to ultimate salvation (Romans 13:11; 1 Thessalonians 5:8, Romans 8:23-25).

      For in the Bible, one of the differences between initial salvation and ultimate salvation is that initial salvation is the salvation which Christians have now (Ephesians 2:5), in their mortal bodies, while ultimate salvation is the salvation ready to be revealed in the last time (1 Peter 1:5), and which is always drawing nearer (Romans 13:11), that salvation which Christians are still hoping for (1 Thessalonians 5:8, Romans 8:23-25, Mark 10:30), and which Jesus Christ will bring to obedient Christians at His future, Second Coming (Hebrews 9:28, Hebrews 5:9), when He will resurrect (if dead) or change (if alive) their mortal physical bodies into immortal physical bodies just like the immortal physical body which Jesus obtained at His resurrection on the third day after His death (Luke 24:39,46; 1 Corinthians 15:3-4,21-23,51-53, Philippians 3:21, Romans 8:23-25, Philippians 3:11-14).
      There are a number of difference salvation's written about in the Bible. Just as there are a number of gospels in the Bible as well.
      All of my ancestors are human.
      Originally posted by Squeaky
      That explains why your an idiot.
      Originally posted by God's Truth
      Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
      Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
      (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

      1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
      (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

      Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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      • Originally posted by bibleverse2 View Post
        That's right, but both ways are still part of the one and only gospel of our salvation (Romans 1:16).

        See also post #64 above.
        What gospel did Jesus send the 12 to preach prior to the crucifixion?

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        • Originally posted by Lighthouse View Post
          What gospel did Jesus send the 12 to preach prior to the crucifixion?
          Brandon!

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          • Originally posted by ok doser View Post
            Brandon!
            Hi

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            • Originally posted by bibleverse2 View Post
              Note that there is no dichotomy between Israel and the BOC (Romans 11:17b).

              See post #81 above.

              For it is the BOC which is waiting for the coming of Christ (1 Corinthians 1:7) and the restitution of all things (Romans 8:21-25).



              Note that we have forgiveness of sin now only through the new covenant (2 Corinthians 3:6; 1 Corinthians 11:25; Matthew 26:28).

              See also post #22 above.



              Amen.

              And note that no one in the Bible preached any other gospel (Galatians 1:9).
              Hello

              You said: Note that we have forgiveness of sin now only through the new covenant (2 Corinthians 3:6; 1 Corinthians 11:25; Matthew 26:28).

              The body of Christ is not given any covenants. Jesus shed his blood for the remission of sins under the first covenant for Israel. Jesus revealed to Paul that the same shed blood would provide justification to all freely through faith.

              In the past it was not made known how God could forgive sinners like Abraham or David or Israel. Paul revealed the mystery hid in God that it was by the merits of the sacrifice of Christ and the cross. No one before Paul could preach this gospel because it was not yet revealed.

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              • Originally posted by Right Divider View Post
                Which gospel is the gospel of your salvation? (HINT: It's not the gospel of the kingdom).
                Note that it is (Acts 14:22).

                --

                Originally posted by Right Divider View Post
                There are a number of difference salvation's written about in the Bible. Just as there are a number of gospels in the Bible as well.
                Note that there is only one Gospel of salvation (Romans 1:16).

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                • Originally posted by Lighthouse View Post
                  What gospel did Jesus send the 12 to preach prior to the crucifixion?
                  Note that there is only one Gospel (Galatians 1:8-9), which includes multiple aspects. The core of the Gospel is that we can be initially saved from hell by believing that Jesus of Nazareth is the Christ and the human/divine Son of God (John 20:31, John 3:36; 1 John 2:23) and that He suffered and died on the Cross for our sins and rose physically from the dead on the third day (1 Corinthians 15:1-4, Luke 24:39,46-47, Matthew 20:19, Matthew 26:28).

                  And the Gospel is that we can be ultimately saved from hell if we continue to believe this to the end (Hebrews 3:6,12,14, Colossians 1:23), and continue to perform good works of faith to the end (Romans 2:6-8; 1 Thessalonians 1:3), and repent from every sin that we commit (Hebrews 10:26-29), and get water-immersion (burial) baptized into Jesus Christ (Mark 16:16, Romans 6:3-11), and partake of Jesus' divine flesh and blood in the bread and wine of Communion (John 6:53; 1 Corinthians 11:23-30), and forgive everyone for everything (Matthew 6:14-15), and do all that we can (Romans 12:18) to make reparations to and peace with everyone whom we have ever wronged (Matthew 5:23-26), and help Christians in need (Matthew 25:34-46), and provide for our families (1 Timothy 5:8), and do not blaspheme God's Holy Spirit (Mark 3:29), and do not remove words from the book of Revelation (Revelation 22:19), and do not worship the future Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") or worship his image or willingly receive his mark (Revelation 14:9-12), but continue in God's goodness to the end (Romans 11:22) and overcome to the end (Revelation 3:5, Revelation 2:26).

                  Before Jesus Christ acknowledged these aspects of the Gospel to His disciples (e.g. in Matthew 16:16-17, Matthew 16:21, Matthew 26:28), the aspect of the Gospel which He preached was the Kingdom of God (e.g. Matthew 4:23, Matthew 6:33, Matthew 12:28).

                  (See post #64 above)

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                  • Originally posted by DougE View Post
                    The body of Christ is not given any covenants.
                    Note that the BOC is under the New Covenant (2 Corinthians 3:6).

                    Originally posted by DougE View Post
                    Jesus shed his blood for the remission of sins under the first covenant for Israel.
                    Note that Jesus shed His blood under the New Covenant (Matthew 26:28).

                    Originally posted by DougE View Post
                    In the past it was not made known how God could forgive sinners like Abraham or David or Israel. Paul revealed the mystery hid in God that it was by the merits of the sacrifice of Christ and the cross. No one before Paul could preach this gospel because it was not yet revealed.
                    See post #23 above for how the Gospel was already in the OT.

                    Also, regarding the mystery, see post #5 above.

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                    • Originally posted by bibleverse2 View Post
                      Note that it is (Acts 14:22).
                      That's too bad because God is offering salvation by grace through faith TODAY, but not a kingdom on the earth.

                      Originally posted by bibleverse2 View Post
                      Note that there is only one Gospel of salvation (Romans 1:16).
                      It's interesting that you choose a verse that makes a distinction between Jew and Greek when Paul says that there is no difference in the body of Christ. Gal 3:28

                      In the body of Christ there is NO "Jew first".

                      I sincerely hope that you come to the knowledge of the truth before it's too late.
                      All of my ancestors are human.
                      Originally posted by Squeaky
                      That explains why your an idiot.
                      Originally posted by God's Truth
                      Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
                      Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
                      (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

                      1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
                      (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

                      Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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                      • Originally posted by bibleverse2 View Post
                        Note that there is only one Gospel (Galatians 1:8-9), which includes multiple aspects. The core of the Gospel is that we can be initially saved from hell by believing that Jesus of Nazareth is the Christ and the human/divine Son of God (John 20:31, John 3:36; 1 John 2:23) and that He suffered and died on the Cross for our sins and rose physically from the dead on the third day (1 Corinthians 15:1-4, Luke 24:39,46-47, Matthew 20:19, Matthew 26:28).

                        And the Gospel is that we can be ultimately saved from hell if we continue to believe this to the end (Hebrews 3:6,12,14, Colossians 1:23), and continue to perform good works of faith to the end (Romans 2:6-8; 1 Thessalonians 1:3), and repent from every sin that we commit (Hebrews 10:26-29), and get water-immersion (burial) baptized into Jesus Christ (Mark 16:16, Romans 6:3-11), and partake of Jesus' divine flesh and blood in the bread and wine of Communion (John 6:53; 1 Corinthians 11:23-30), and forgive everyone for everything (Matthew 6:14-15), and do all that we can (Romans 12:18) to make reparations to and peace with everyone whom we have ever wronged (Matthew 5:23-26), and help Christians in need (Matthew 25:34-46), and provide for our families (1 Timothy 5:8), and do not blaspheme God's Holy Spirit (Mark 3:29), and do not remove words from the book of Revelation (Revelation 22:19), and do not worship the future Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") or worship his image or willingly receive his mark (Revelation 14:9-12), but continue in God's goodness to the end (Romans 11:22) and overcome to the end (Revelation 3:5, Revelation 2:26).

                        Before Jesus Christ acknowledged these aspects of the Gospel to His disciples (e.g. in Matthew 16:16-17, Matthew 16:21, Matthew 26:28), the aspect of the Gospel which He preached was the Kingdom of God (e.g. Matthew 4:23, Matthew 6:33, Matthew 12:28).

                        (See post #64 above)
                        Answer the question. What did the 12 preach when Jesus sent them out to do so prior to His crucifixion?

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                        • Originally posted by bibleverse2 View Post
                          Note that there is only one Gospel (Galatians 1:8-9), which includes multiple aspects. The core of the Gospel is that we can be initially saved from hell by believing that Jesus of Nazareth is the Christ and the human/divine Son of God (John 20:31, John 3:36; 1 John 2:23) and that He suffered and died on the Cross for our sins and rose physically from the dead on the third day (1 Corinthians 15:1-4, Luke 24:39,46-47, Matthew 20:19, Matthew 26:28).

                          And the Gospel is that we can be ultimately saved from hell if we continue to believe this to the end (Hebrews 3:6,12,14, Colossians 1:23), and continue to perform good works of faith to the end (Romans 2:6-8; 1 Thessalonians 1:3), and repent from every sin that we commit (Hebrews 10:26-29), and get water-immersion (burial) baptized into Jesus Christ (Mark 16:16, Romans 6:3-11), and partake of Jesus' divine flesh and blood in the bread and wine of Communion (John 6:53; 1 Corinthians 11:23-30), and forgive everyone for everything (Matthew 6:14-15), and do all that we can (Romans 12:18) to make reparations to and peace with everyone whom we have ever wronged (Matthew 5:23-26), and help Christians in need (Matthew 25:34-46), and provide for our families (1 Timothy 5:8), and do not blaspheme God's Holy Spirit (Mark 3:29), and do not remove words from the book of Revelation (Revelation 22:19), and do not worship the future Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") or worship his image or willingly receive his mark (Revelation 14:9-12), but continue in God's goodness to the end (Romans 11:22) and overcome to the end (Revelation 3:5, Revelation 2:26).

                          Before Jesus Christ acknowledged these aspects of the Gospel to His disciples (e.g. in Matthew 16:16-17, Matthew 16:21, Matthew 26:28), the aspect of the Gospel which He preached was the Kingdom of God (e.g. Matthew 4:23, Matthew 6:33, Matthew 12:28).

                          (See post #64 above)
                          Hello
                          If I may I would like to address your post on salvation. You have a lot to un pack here and I will do it piecemeal.

                          First of all you are right in identifying the gospel for our justification unto eternal life in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. This is all that has to be believed to be saved. Christ has accomplished a complete salvation not an initial salvation.

                          Hebrews 3:6,12,14 is addressed to Jews who are under the law and covenant and must endure to the end to be saved to enter the Davidic kingdom on earth.

                          Colossians 1:23 is saying that we need to continue in the faith to be holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight. This is not saying we lose salvation this is talking about our conduct being holy before God and being conformed to the image of Christ.

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                          • Originally posted by bibleverse2 View Post
                            Note that there is only one Gospel (Galatians 1:8-9), which includes multiple aspects. The core of the Gospel is that we can be initially saved from hell by believing that Jesus of Nazareth is the Christ and the human/divine Son of God (John 20:31, John 3:36; 1 John 2:23) and that He suffered and died on the Cross for our sins and rose physically from the dead on the third day (1 Corinthians 15:1-4, Luke 24:39,46-47, Matthew 20:19, Matthew 26:28).

                            And the Gospel is that we can be ultimately saved from hell if we continue to believe this to the end (Hebrews 3:6,12,14, Colossians 1:23), and continue to perform good works of faith to the end (Romans 2:6-8; 1 Thessalonians 1:3), and repent from every sin that we commit (Hebrews 10:26-29), and get water-immersion (burial) baptized into Jesus Christ (Mark 16:16, Romans 6:3-11), and partake of Jesus' divine flesh and blood in the bread and wine of Communion (John 6:53; 1 Corinthians 11:23-30), and forgive everyone for everything (Matthew 6:14-15), and do all that we can (Romans 12:18) to make reparations to and peace with everyone whom we have ever wronged (Matthew 5:23-26), and help Christians in need (Matthew 25:34-46), and provide for our families (1 Timothy 5:8), and do not blaspheme God's Holy Spirit (Mark 3:29), and do not remove words from the book of Revelation (Revelation 22:19), and do not worship the future Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") or worship his image or willingly receive his mark (Revelation 14:9-12), but continue in God's goodness to the end (Romans 11:22) and overcome to the end (Revelation 3:5, Revelation 2:26).

                            Before Jesus Christ acknowledged these aspects of the Gospel to His disciples (e.g. in Matthew 16:16-17, Matthew 16:21, Matthew 26:28), the aspect of the Gospel which He preached was the Kingdom of God (e.g. Matthew 4:23, Matthew 6:33, Matthew 12:28).

                            (See post #64 above)
                            Romans 2:6-8 is speaking of the judgment of God....this is how he will judge those who have not placed faith in Christ.

                            1 Thessalonians 1:3 does not even say if you don't do all this you are going to hell....Paul is giving thanks for their labours in God's sight.

                            Hebrews 10:26-29 is addressed to Jews under the covenant and undergoing persecution and considering reverting back to the Levitical sacrifices and were being urged to go onto perfection in Christ and the better new covenant. This is not saying if we sin we lose the sacrifice Christ made for our sin.The Jews could lose the promises and inheritance in the kingdom if they did not endure.

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                            • Originally posted by Truster View Post
                              You are not wearing the belt of truth. You will have no comfort and you will fail to comfort others. The term gospel has no Hebrew or Greek root and does not convey what was spoken or written of in the Old nor the New Testament. You simply repeat the word parrot fashion and like a parrot you don't have a clue what it is you're speaking of.

                              "...wanting to be teachers of the Law, even though they do not understand either what they are saying or the matters about which they make confident assertions".
                              I wonder who it is that posts like this are suppose to convince?

                              What exactly is the point of showing up on a thread and posting one single post with nothing quoted and no argument made. It's just a bald assertion shouted into the aether.

                              Truster, if you have an argument to make then make it. If you know so much more than we do such that we don't even know what the word "gospel" means, then it should be easy enough for you to teach it to us. Please, by all means, show us just how bird brained we are!


                              By the way, it isn't proper to use both "or" and "nor" in the same sentence and I'm pretty sure that neither the Old nor the New Testament were spoken. It seems like both are entirely written. Just sayin'.

                              (entirely written - just sayin' - see what I did there? )


                              Seriously though, you showing up and saying something doesn't make it so. Make an argument! It's much more interesting and people might actualy start to care about what you write in your posts.

                              Clete
                              Last edited by Clete; August 24, 2019, 05:16 AM.
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                              • Originally posted by bibleverse2 View Post
                                Note that there is only one Gospel (Galatians 1:8-9), which includes multiple aspects. The core of the Gospel is that we can be initially saved from hell by believing that Jesus of Nazareth is the Christ and the human/divine Son of God (John 20:31, John 3:36; 1 John 2:23) and that He suffered and died on the Cross for our sins and rose physically from the dead on the third day (1 Corinthians 15:1-4, Luke 24:39,46-47, Matthew 20:19, Matthew 26:28).

                                And the Gospel is that we can be ultimately saved from hell if we continue to believe this to the end (Hebrews 3:6,12,14, Colossians 1:23), and continue to perform good works of faith to the end (Romans 2:6-8; 1 Thessalonians 1:3), and repent from every sin that we commit (Hebrews 10:26-29), and get water-immersion (burial) baptized into Jesus Christ (Mark 16:16, Romans 6:3-11), and partake of Jesus' divine flesh and blood in the bread and wine of Communion (John 6:53; 1 Corinthians 11:23-30), and forgive everyone for everything (Matthew 6:14-15), and do all that we can (Romans 12:18) to make reparations to and peace with everyone whom we have ever wronged (Matthew 5:23-26), and help Christians in need (Matthew 25:34-46), and provide for our families (1 Timothy 5:8), and do not blaspheme God's Holy Spirit (Mark 3:29), and do not remove words from the book of Revelation (Revelation 22:19), and do not worship the future Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") or worship his image or willingly receive his mark (Revelation 14:9-12), but continue in God's goodness to the end (Romans 11:22) and overcome to the end (Revelation 3:5, Revelation 2:26).

                                Before Jesus Christ acknowledged these aspects of the Gospel to His disciples (e.g. in Matthew 16:16-17, Matthew 16:21, Matthew 26:28), the aspect of the Gospel which He preached was the Kingdom of God (e.g. Matthew 4:23, Matthew 6:33, Matthew 12:28).

                                (See post #64 above)
                                Mark 16:16 The twelve were told to go into all the world and preach the gospel of the kingdom and to be saved to enter into the Davidic kingdom on earth. This is not the commission of the church today it was to the twelve.

                                Romans 6:3-11 is baptism into Christ by the Spirit and those in Christ are to reckon themselves dead unto sin. This is not being baptized in water and is not the baptism of Mark 16:16 nor John's baptism, both of which were for Israel to be cleansed from sin to enter the kingdom.

                                The communion in 1 Corinthians 11 is for the body of Christ. It is for the oneness of the body through the shed blood of Christ for our justification unto eternal life. It is not the Passover. The body of Christ is not placed under the new testament. Communion does not save us or keep us saved.

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