Did you completely understand what you read?
I'm saying that you shouldn't blaspheme God by attributing to Him things that He never said.
What is holding us back?
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Did you completely understand what you read?
I'm saying that you shouldn't blaspheme God by attributing to Him things that He never said.
Aimiel
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Nope. I learn more, every time I read It.
Never have. Never will.
I quoted scripture, and you said the following:
Did I misunderstand you, thinking that you were misquoting Joel 3:10?
Or were you actually saying that that phrase, "let the poor say..." is in the Bible?
Because if it's the former, then you don't know the Bible as well as you think you do, and if the latter, you are blaspheming God.
Then in a discussion about what the Bible says, why say it at all?
And especially in response to scripture!
Do you think that the scripture I provided on the poor is trumped by a cliche like that?
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I'm not the one that "proved my call" with "It's in the Bible".
I hope that you give up your myth someday and embrace the truth of what the Bible actually teaches.
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More "Aimiel logic" there. :juggle:
Aimiel
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I don't think that it's my fate to remain poor. If you believe that you should, that's up to you. I would much rather have prosperity than poverty. It's much more relaxing. I don't believe that you've shown me proof that I need to be poor to be Christian. I believe that we're given everything we need, according to His Riches in glory. I don't believe that you can deny this, except you project something into Scripture that isn't implied.
I think you've somehow gotten lost in your own argument.
Remember, the discussion is about what the Bible says, not about being poor.
Aimiel
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Aimiel
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I thought it was about what is holding us back. If one clings to an imaginary premise or un-sound doctrine, in spite of one's thinking that one's logic is inescapable. I believe that God wants us to prosper and be in health, in spite of those who believe that we should be poor.
No one was arguing that we should be poor.
We were arguing that there will always be poor among us.
Like I said, you've gotten lost in your own argument, and you're now agreeing with what I just said.
I recommend you go back about 30 posts and see if you can find where you went off on your own path...
On the contrary...
Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away.For we know in part and we prophesy in part.But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away. - 1 Corinthians 13:8-10 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1Corinthians13:8-10&version=NKJV
The word used for "perfect" here means "complete" or "mature."
| Strong's g5046 - Lexical: τέλειος - Transliteration: teleios - Part of Speech: Adjective - Phonetic Spelling: tel'-i-os - Definition: perfect, (a) complete in all its parts, (b) full grown, of full age, (c) specially of the completeness of Christian character. - Origin: From telos; complete (in various applications of labor, growth, mental and moral character, etc.); neuter (as noun, with ho) completeness. - Usage: of full age, man, perfect. - Translated as (count): perfect (11), mature (4), a perfect (1), full grown (1), full-grown (1), more perfect (1). |
It's at this point that it's as if Paul remembers what his original line of thought was, and gets back to speaking about the sign gifts in verse 8.
Prophecy will fail in various ways.
Tongues will cease.
The gift of knowledge will vanish away.
Whereas special knowledge was provided by the Spirit, that need passed away when the mystery was fully revealed and recorded in the New Testament.
The mystery is Paul's gospel, that we no longer are required to keep the law, but all we need to do is believe, and we are saved. When that mystery was fully revealed and recorded in the NT, that is when the need for special knowledge passed away.We won't need the temporary gifts of special revelation when we have the permanent treasure of the full word of God. That's the point Paul is making in that passage.
So when Paul writes that "tongues will cease," we ask the question, "when will they cease"?
They'll cease when the revelation of the mystery is complete, and God has fully confirmed the Body of Christ in it's validity to the unbelieving Jews. When that happens, that's when tongues will cease.
That's the teaching of dispensational world, and that also happens to be the record of history, because it was in the first generation of the Body of Christ that tongues were practiced, and then they died out, and they ceased, and were gone....
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...until the 1830s when they resurrected in england when the charismatic movement began under very strange circumstances...
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glorydaz
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There is such a thing as prosperity preaching, but it's based on man's own selfish greed. Attempting to make God a partner in his greed is at best childish.
Zeke
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Don't you remember I told you in the back alley I wouldn't be bothering you anymore back in 1917, you crossed the line first.
Wasn't mocking God at least not the One forever present, your futuristic version would be offended "I AM" sure.
We will have to do it again in couple more years.
It isn’t real? It doesn’t work? People don’t do the works of Jesus, or the works that Jesus said believers would do because they can’t do them. If they could, they would clear out the children’s hospital by instant healings, the whole world would see it and then become Christian. That doesn’t happen because Christians can’t do it.
glorydaz
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Guyver? Is that really you?
Wow, I'm so happy to see you back again.:cheers:
And you're exactly correct with your response. :e4e:
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