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  • Originally posted by clefty View Post
    Right yes...it’s all about you...since He didn’t do it right or do enough...would expect that from yours
    Not all about me. Sorry if you were confused about that.

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    • I'm good if people want to move on with the thread.

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      • Originally posted by Jacob View Post
        I'm good if people want to move on with the thread.
        There is the Jewish Jesus and there is a Christian Jesus.

        You believe in the Jewish Jesus, but not the Christian Jesus.

        The Christian Jesus has defeated sin, death and the devil and has reconciled us to God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19. We are complete in him, Colossians 2:10. The Christian Jesus has fulfilled and abolished the law, Romans 7:4-6. The Jewish Jesus is under the law and under a curse, Galatians 3:10.

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        • Originally posted by Robert Pate View Post
          There is the Jewish Jesus and there is a Christian Jesus.

          You believe in the Jewish Jesus, but not the Christian Jesus.

          The Christian Jesus has defeated sin, death and the devil and has reconciled us to God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19. We are complete in him, Colossians 2:10. The Christian Jesus has fulfilled and abolished the law, Romans 7:4-6. The Jewish Jesus is under the law and under a curse, Galatians 3:10.
          I disagree with you. There is no two Jesus' though I can say that I conclude this by evaluating yours. I would love to talk with you about this more. I wait for you.

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          • Originally posted by Jacob View Post
            I disagree with you. There is no two Jesus' though I can say that I conclude this by evaluating yours. I would love to talk with you about this more. I wait for you.
            Judaism is a religion of law. Under the New Covenant, "The Just Shall Live By Faith" Romans 1:17. Living by rules, laws and religion is NOT living by faith.

            You want to live under the Old Covenant. The Old Covenant along with the law and Judaism has been abolished, Ephesians 2:15, Colossians 2:14, Romans 7:6, Romans 7:9, Romans 10:4, 2 Corinthians 3:6, plus many other scriptures. You cannot profess faith in Christ and live by the law. Living by rules, laws and religion is an indication that you don't have faith in Christ.

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            • Originally posted by Robert Pate View Post
              Judaism is a religion of law. Under the New Covenant, "The Just Shall Live By Faith" Romans 1:17. Living by rules, laws and religion is NOT living by faith.

              You want to live under the Old Covenant. The Old Covenant along with the law and Judaism has been abolished, Ephesians 2:15, Colossians 2:14, Romans 7:6, Romans 7:9, Romans 10:4, 2 Corinthians 3:6, plus many other scriptures. You cannot profess faith in Christ and live by the law. Living by rules, laws and religion is an indication that you don't have faith in Christ.
              Jesus instructed to keep and teach the commandments, and Paul says that we are not under the law.

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              • Originally posted by Jacob View Post
                Jesus instructed to keep and teach the commandments, and Paul says that we are not under the law.
                This is your problem. You want to be under the Old Covenant and not the New Covenant. Jesus taught the law to show the Jews that they were sinners. The law also reveals the righteousness of God. The Old Covenant and the law have been done away with because it did not accomplish its purpose, Hebrews 8:6-13.

                Under the New Covenant Jesus fulfills the law for us, Matthew 5:18 and then abolishes it. Trying to live by the law is like trying to feed a dead horse. The Jewish religion and the Old Covenant are obsolete, Hebrews 8:13.

                Paul was a chosen apostle of Jesus Christ. To reject Paul is to reject Christ.

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                • Originally posted by Jacob View Post
                  How about the law to love God with all your heart, soul, and might? Or to love your neighbor as yourself?
                  If you listen to some of the Mid Acts Dispensationalists here you will hear that "love God" and "love thy neighbor" is "legalism" and "works of the flesh" ...

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                  • Originally posted by Jacob View Post
                    Paul wrote that all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. How is it that Jesus is an exception, or the only exception? Jesus did not sin. Why? Or, how?
                    Sometimes the exceptions are supposed to be obvious? For example, "no one understands me" obviously is intended to exclude the speaker. "Sinning and falling short of the glory of God" obviously excludes God himself.

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                    • Originally posted by Robert Pate View Post
                      This is your problem. You want to be under the Old Covenant and not the New Covenant. Jesus taught the law to show the Jews that they were sinners. The law also reveals the righteousness of God. The Old Covenant and the law have been done away with because it did not accomplish its purpose, Hebrews 8:6-13.

                      Under the New Covenant Jesus fulfills the law for us, Matthew 5:18 and then abolishes it. Trying to live by the law is like trying to feed a dead horse. The Jewish religion and the Old Covenant are obsolete, Hebrews 8:13.

                      Paul was a chosen apostle of Jesus Christ. To reject Paul is to reject Christ.
                      I do not see it as a problem, obeying Jesus and not being under the law. See Matthew 5:19.

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                      • Originally posted by Rosenritter View Post
                        If you listen to some of the Mid Acts Dispensationalists here you will hear that "love God" and "love thy neighbor" is "legalism" and "works of the flesh" ...
                        I do not know that I believe that this is the case.
                        Originally posted by Rosenritter View Post
                        Sometimes the exceptions are supposed to be obvious? For example, "no one understands me" obviously is intended to exclude the speaker. "Sinning and falling short of the glory of God" obviously excludes God himself.
                        I do not know what you are saying. Jesus never sinned.

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                        • Originally posted by Jacob View Post
                          Incorrect. Was Matthew 5:17-20 for the Jew or the Gentile or both? Can a Gentile become a Jew according to God's Law? You can do some thinking. I do wear tzitzit, a Torah Commandment.
                          1 Corinthians 12:12-14 KJV
                          (12) For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
                          (13) For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
                          (14) For the body is not one member, but many.

                          Galatians 3:28-29 KJV
                          (28) There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
                          (29) And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

                          There's no benefit in trying to become "Jewish" but it could serve as a distraction. We aren't being called upon to wear special hats or observe any laws that were given specifically to a people with a Levitical priesthood inhabiting the land of Canaan.

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                          • Originally posted by Jacob View Post
                            I have no problem with being a Jew and of Israel. I chose the tribe of Levi. We do not reject the truth. For me I simply have to get it right.
                            How did you manage to choose a tribe?

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                            • Originally posted by Jacob View Post
                              I do not know that I believe that this is the case.
                              Glorydaz has said all of those, for example.

                              I do not know what you are saying. Jesus never sinned.
                              "All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God" obviously excludes God. Jesus was without sin. Put the two together.

                              John 20:28-29 KJV
                              (28) And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
                              (29) Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

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                              • Originally posted by Rosenritter View Post
                                How did you manage to choose a tribe?
                                My uncle told me to pick or choose a tribe. Also, I had a Rabbi of the tribe of Levi. And I was a Jew who wanted to or did understand the tribe of Levi. It is a teaching priestly tribe. What do you think about that? Some believe that a convert cannot pick a tribe. Some that you cannot become a Levite. Also, I have been told that I was grafted in. Meaning, I said that I believe myself to be a Jew, recently, after all of this. A person grafted in was or is a Gentile.

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