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  • Originally posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    Even if the Trinity doctrine is true, God did not reveal Himself to anyone writing the Bible as a triune god, God did not say to worship Him as a triune god, and the only god we are told to worship as a god is God the Father.
    Moses was Trinitarian.

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    • Originally posted by KingdomRose View Post
      Please show me where in the Scriptures the words "God the Son" appear.
      Been hanging out with Oatmeal, again?

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      • Originally posted by steko View Post
        Ugh....too bad.
        They're proud to go from bad to worse....
        All of my ancestors are human.
        Originally posted by Squeaky
        That explains why your an idiot.
        Originally posted by God's Truth
        Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
        Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
        (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

        1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
        (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

        Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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        • Originally posted by jamie View Post
          The term "God the Son" does not need to appear in scripture. We all know each kind reproduces after its kind (Genesis 1:24).

          Jesus said this flesh profits nothing and we must be born of the Spirit to enter the kingdom of God.
          The KINDS that reproduce after their KIND are the CREATED kinds, NOT GOD!
          All of my ancestors are human.
          Originally posted by Squeaky
          That explains why your an idiot.
          Originally posted by God's Truth
          Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
          Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
          (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

          1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
          (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

          Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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          • Originally posted by Right Divider View Post
            The KINDS that reproduce after their KIND are the CREATED kinds, NOT GOD!
            You don't understand the family of God.

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            • Originally posted by jamie View Post
              You don't understand the family of God.
              Yes, I do. You have a fantasy faith.

              Please feel free to show us FROM scripture where spirits reproduce. Reproduction is a physical phenomenon.
              All of my ancestors are human.
              Originally posted by Squeaky
              That explains why your an idiot.
              Originally posted by God's Truth
              Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
              Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
              (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

              1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
              (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

              Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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              • Originally posted by Apple7 View Post
                Moses was Trinitarian.
                I once read something about the plural "one" of the Shema. Need to dig it out.
                "There is one thing worse than going to Hell. That would be going to Hell and having it be a surprise."
                Terence Mc Lean

                [most will be very surprised]


                Everyone who has not believed the Gospel of grace is not saved, no matter what else they believe or do.
                By that measure, how many professing Christians are on their way to the Lake of Fire?

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                • Originally posted by KingdomRose View Post
                  (1) Does the Bible mention three distinct Persons?

                  No, the Bible does not mention THREE distinct Persons that are involved in a "Godhead."
                  Wrong. Forget "Godhead' for a moment. Forget "Trinity." Don't anticipate -- pay attention to the progression of the graphic. God, Christ and the Holy Spirit are all referred to as distinct Persons. Period. Take it just that far and stop there before going further -- They each are referred to as distinct from the Others. That much is true.

                  (2) Does the bible refer to each as "God"?

                  No, not at all.
                  Wrong. Christ and the Holy Spirit are both referred to as God, as shown by the citations in that section of the graphic. So this point, too, is true...take that truth, consider it with the last one, and stop there. Mull them over together.

                  Then -- and only then -- move on to this one:

                  (3) Does the Bible teach that there is only one God?

                  Yes, absolutely, and that God is the Father of Jesus.
                  Correct, but that does not negate the other two points. It must be balanced with them because those points, as you've been shown, are just as true as this one.

                  If all three points are true -- and they are -- non-trinitarian conceptions cannot adequately account for them. They must pump one (usually the last) and downplay, ignore or deny the others. That's doing violence to God's Word and shows a love of the traditions of men.

                  Further comment?
                  Yes. Your attempt at refutation is a failure. All three points of the graphic are backed up by Scripture. You must deny at least one of them for the concept of the Trinity to be false, and you can't do so without denying the veracity of the Word of God -- and of God Himself -- on those exact points. But for you that's no problem since you believe the NWT is the only reliable version available today.
                  Last edited by musterion; January 16, 2016, 12:53 PM.
                  "There is one thing worse than going to Hell. That would be going to Hell and having it be a surprise."
                  Terence Mc Lean

                  [most will be very surprised]


                  Everyone who has not believed the Gospel of grace is not saved, no matter what else they believe or do.
                  By that measure, how many professing Christians are on their way to the Lake of Fire?

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                  • Originally posted by musterion View Post
                    Wrong. Pay attention to the progression of the graphic, it is very clear. God, Christ and the Holy Spirit are all referred to as distinct persons. That point is true.

                    Wrong. Christ and the Holy Spirit are both referred to as God, as shown by the citations in that section of the graphic.

                    Correct, but that does not negate the other two points -- it must be balanced against them because those points are true as well.

                    Yes. Your attempt at refutation is a failure. All three points of the graphic are backed up by Scripture. You must deny at least one of them for the concept of the Trinity to be false, and you can't do so without denying the veracity of the Word of God -- and of God Himself -- on those exact points. But for you that's no problem since you believe the NWT is the only reliable version available today.
                    And the King James Version was falsified to get the New World Translation.
                    He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

                    Jim Elliot

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                    • Originally posted by Apple7 View Post
                      Moses was Trinitarian.
                      You really haven't read the Bible, have you?

                      Moses was raised a polytheist by his adopted family and taught monotheism by his real family.
                      Learn to read what is written.

                      _____
                      The people who are supposed to be experts and who claim to understand the science are precisely the people who are blind to the evidence.
                      ~ Dr Freeman Dyson

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                      • Originally posted by Apple7 View Post
                        Moses was Trinitarian.
                        I think you need to explain this one, especially if he was a jew.
                        He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

                        Jim Elliot

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                        • Originally posted by Bright Raven View Post
                          And the King James Version was falsified to get the New World Translation.
                          Joseph Smith, iirc, tried to pawn off his own version but the LDS at least had the sense not to try to replace the KJV. They just say it's unreliable and leave it at that. What the Watchtower did was a colossally stupid move.
                          "There is one thing worse than going to Hell. That would be going to Hell and having it be a surprise."
                          Terence Mc Lean

                          [most will be very surprised]


                          Everyone who has not believed the Gospel of grace is not saved, no matter what else they believe or do.
                          By that measure, how many professing Christians are on their way to the Lake of Fire?

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                          • Originally posted by Bright Raven View Post
                            I think you need to explain this one, especially if he was a jew.
                            Go look at who spoke to Moses in the burning bush.
                            All of my ancestors are human.
                            Originally posted by Squeaky
                            That explains why your an idiot.
                            Originally posted by God's Truth
                            Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
                            Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
                            (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

                            1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
                            (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

                            Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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                            • Originally posted by Right Divider View Post
                              Go look at who spoke to Moses in the burning bush.
                              Yep. CrossReference HATES having that pointed out to him.
                              "There is one thing worse than going to Hell. That would be going to Hell and having it be a surprise."
                              Terence Mc Lean

                              [most will be very surprised]


                              Everyone who has not believed the Gospel of grace is not saved, no matter what else they believe or do.
                              By that measure, how many professing Christians are on their way to the Lake of Fire?

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                              • It only says the father and the Holy Spirit are the one. οὗτοι οἱ τρεῖς ἕν εἰσιν A somethings a three the one, they are. Three things doing the one thing. Thus 1 John 5:7 only implies the son, and mentions only God the Father as the Holy spirit.

                                Yes, the God was being manifested at/into the flesh (in effect, the dermis); but he wasn't the flesh. I know the concept is too complex for idolaters.

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