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  • Originally posted by KingdomRose View Post
    No sir, and it's sad so many are letting themselves be taken to the spiritual cleaners.

    There are verses in the New Testament which might appear to support the traditional doctrine of the trinity, but good research in the Scriptures and the history of the doctrine has brought me and many others to the conviction that "the case for the trinity rests on questionable treatment of the biblical documents" (stated by Anthony Buzzard & Charles Hunting in their interesting book, The Doctrine of the Trinity, Christianity's Self-Inflicted Wound).

    The case for the trinity "ignores the massive evidence for unitary monotheism--the belief in one God as a single person, the Father of Jesus Christ--and relies heavily on inference from a few select verses." It isolates certain texts and forgets that their context is the whole of Scripture.

    Doctrines must be built upon plain, straightforward texts. After much research by a number of Biblical experts, many of them now admit that the trinity doctrine cannot be documented in the Bible, and is truly a distortion of Bible teachings. It is my desire, and that of other non-trinitarians, that people will examine the evidence that counters the trinity doctrine with an open mind.

    Church historians have recorded that believers in God as a single person were "at the beginning of the third century still the large majority." (Encyclopedia Britannica, 11th edition, Vol.23, p.963)

    Present-day fundamental Christianity claims to believe in the inerrancy of Scripture and the authority of Christ, and yet they have never come to believe in a statement made by Christ himself that summed up his feeling & knowledge of his Father: "This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You sent." (John 17:3) Are they totally insensitive to the warning issued by Jesus when he said, "In vain they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commands of men"? (Matthew 15:9) Have they fallen under the spell of theological leaders, mainly from the 2nd to the 5th century, when they allowed their Greek philosophy backgrounds to corrupt the Hebrew thought which formed the basis of the young Christian church?

    Neither the Old Testament nor the New Testament offer evidence for the doctrine of the trinity. A person can establish this fact by a careful, open-minded examination of the Biblical writings. There is no passage of Scripture that asserts that God is three, no authentic verse which claims that the one God is three persons, three spirits, three divine infinite minds, or three anything. Any claim that there are three who make up the Deity must be based on inference, rather than plain statements. The trinitarian concept relies on often tortured logic which lacks solid support in the earliest Christian writings.


    Yes sir.

    LA
    My theology is that the elect of Israel became the scattered church among the nations, and when filled up with the full number of gentiles who believe to become one with them, then Christ will return and gather them, and God will then pour out His wrath on the unbelievers of both Jew and Gentile.

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    • Originally posted by Lazy afternoon View Post
      Yes sir.

      LA
      Cool, you're a Jehovah"s Witness
      He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

      Jim Elliot

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      • Figgers, don't it.
        "There is one thing worse than going to Hell. That would be going to Hell and having it be a surprise."
        Terence Mc Lean

        [most will be very surprised]


        Everyone who has not believed the Gospel of grace is not saved, no matter what else they believe or do.
        By that measure, how many professing Christians are on their way to the Lake of Fire?

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        • Originally posted by Bright Raven View Post
          WRONG!! He is not talking about the Father. He is talking about Jesus.
          You are right....it is talking about Jesus. He was given the power and authority to create by the Father, YHWH.

          I Corinthians 8:5,6 shows that everything came FROM the Father, THROUGH the Son. The Father is God, and He is the Source of all things.

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          • Originally posted by Right Divider View Post
            Mat 28:19 KJV Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
            This one verse, alone, proves the three in one doctrine.

            ONE name -- THREE persons.
            No it doesn't. It doesn't say that they are all God, and it doesn't say that they are even all equal. Two of these are persons who have individual names: the Father is Jehovah and the Son is Jesus. The Holy Spirit doesn't have a name and there is nothing there to indicate that it is a person.

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            • Originally posted by steko View Post
              Isa 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
              Jehovah is merely saying that He is the only SOURCE of power. He has it all, and He will give it to whom He wishes.

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              • Originally posted by keypurr View Post
                I think I clearly stated what I see as truth. I know most do not discard the fables they have been taught to go deep enough to find truth. The truth is right if front of your nose BR. Jesus was born as a man to be the Saviour of mankind. But that is not what makes him God or Godlike. It was the SPIRIT in him that was a created form of God, that spoke through Jesus and brought light into this world. Why do you turn away from the words of your Lord when he says that his Father is the only true God? Who do you wish to please, God or man?
                Your confusion is complete. Many have shared the TRUTH with you, but you have rejected it. You don't have ears to hear the TRUTH, and your heart is hardened to the TRUTH. The sad thing is your attempts to sell your baloney to others.
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                Romans 10:9-10 KJV That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

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                • Originally posted by CherubRam View Post

                  Yahwah has many name titles.
                  No He doesn't. As the KJV at Psalm 83:18 says, "JEHOVAH is the Most High." That is the name of God. Nothing else.

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                  • Originally posted by KingdomRose View Post
                    No it doesn't. It doesn't say that they are all God, and it doesn't say that they are even all equal. Two of these are persons who have individual names: the Father is Jehovah and the Son is Jesus. The Holy Spirit doesn't have a name and there is nothing there to indicate that it is a person.
                    Philippians 2:5-6 shows the equality of Jesus with God.


                    Philippians 2:5-6 English Standard Version (ESV)

                    5 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus,

                    6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,
                    He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

                    Jim Elliot

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                    • Originally posted by genuineoriginal View Post
                      I gave the reference.
                      It is the Bible as a whole.

                      You can read it yourself, like I did, and come up with your own estimate, like I did.

                      Or, you can take all the verses that everyone has used to try to prove that the Trinity is in the Bible and add up the words yourself.
                      Every word that is not in those verses speak of God from a Unitarian view.

                      To start you off, here is a list of all the verses in the Old Testament that can be used for a Trinitarian view:
                      Genesis 1:26
                      Genesis 3:22
                      Genesis 11:7
                      Isaiah 6:8

                      All the rest of the verses in the Old Testament teach a Unitarian view.
                      Yes.

                      Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

                      "Our" does not mean three, either.

                      and the scene in Heaven mentions millions of angels all in the image of God.

                      Rev 5:11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;

                      Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

                      next-

                      Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

                      ditto.

                      next-

                      Gen 11:7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.

                      as also--

                      Gen 18:1 And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
                      Gen 18:2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,

                      Gen 18:22 And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD.

                      Gen 19:1 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;

                      next--

                      Isa 6:8 Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here am I; send me.

                      Context--

                      Isa 6:5 Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts.
                      Isa 6:6 Then flew one of the seraphims unto me, having a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with the tongs from off the altar:
                      Isa 6:7 And he laid it upon my mouth, and said, Lo, this hath touched thy lips; and thine iniquity is taken away, and thy sin purged.
                      Isa 6:8 Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here am I; send me.

                      Isa 6:9 And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.
                      Isa 6:10 Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.
                      Isa 6:11 Then said I, Lord, how long? And he answered, Until the cities be wasted without inhabitant, and the houses without man, and the land be utterly desolate,
                      Isa 6:12 And the LORD have removed men far away, and there be a great forsaking in the midst of the land.

                      It was Isaiah.

                      LA
                      My theology is that the elect of Israel became the scattered church among the nations, and when filled up with the full number of gentiles who believe to become one with them, then Christ will return and gather them, and God will then pour out His wrath on the unbelievers of both Jew and Gentile.

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                      • Originally posted by Bright Raven View Post
                        You are biblically illiterate. You like Keypurr refuse to believe the truth of the bible. You are snared by the heresy of unitarianism. Jude 4 speaks of those like you.
                        YOU are snared by the heresy of polytheism....three Gods in a pagan "Godhead."

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                        • The heretic squad is busy here and I knew they would be. They can't stand for the TRUTH to be shared without challenge. Deception is their game.
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                          Romans 10:9-10 KJV That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

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                          • Originally posted by Bright Raven View Post
                            Cool, you're a Jehovah"s Witness
                            Yes I am a witness of Yahweh.

                            You meant it to be something bad didn't you.

                            Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

                            Have you ever been filled with the Holy Spirit??

                            LA
                            My theology is that the elect of Israel became the scattered church among the nations, and when filled up with the full number of gentiles who believe to become one with them, then Christ will return and gather them, and God will then pour out His wrath on the unbelievers of both Jew and Gentile.

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                            • Originally posted by journey View Post
                              The heretic squad is busy here and I knew they would be. They can't stand for the TRUTH to be shared without challenge. Deception is their game.
                              The witness of the scriptures is just too much for you.

                              LA
                              My theology is that the elect of Israel became the scattered church among the nations, and when filled up with the full number of gentiles who believe to become one with them, then Christ will return and gather them, and God will then pour out His wrath on the unbelievers of both Jew and Gentile.

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                              • Originally posted by Lazy afternoon View Post
                                Yes I am a witness of Yahweh.

                                You meant it to be something bad didn't you.

                                Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

                                Have you ever been filled with the Holy Spirit??

                                LA
                                You"re a cultist aren't you.
                                He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

                                Jim Elliot

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