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  • #31
    Originally posted by Ben Masada View Post
    We don't have souls; we are souls; when the Lord formed man from the dust of the earth, He breathed into man's nostrils the breath of life and man became a living soul. (Gen. 2:7) To become is to be and not to have. The soul is only the combination of body with the breath of life. At death, our body goes back to the dust and the breath of life goes back to God Who gave it to man. That combination is undone and the soul/concept ceases to exist.
    I repped you by mistake on this post. But, I actually don't agree with you here. The word soul is used in two different ways in the Bible. One as living souls, and one as the inner man. The breath of life that makes men living souls is attached to the body. When the breath of life departs, the body dies (no longer a living soul).

    This verse makes it clear. Man has three distinct parts.
    1 Thessalonians 5:23
    And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

    We also see the soul and spirit and the joints and marrow (body).
    Hebrews 4:12
    For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Totton Linnet View Post
      You forgot the Millennial reign on earth of the saints with Christ.

      It is also the key to why I believe God has more options than to damn everyone who does not belong to the church.

      Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for righteousness for theirs is the kingdom of God. Blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth.....somebody will inhabit the new earth, my home is in heaven.

      Evil I say is a power and all powers were created by God. Man was not created for evil but for good only

      We debated the issue of Paul [I should say Saul] in Roman's 7. we certainly disagreed.

      When will you determine doctrine dear AMR by scriptura sola?

      Paul speaks about body, soul and spirit.

      The word of God is a 2 edged sword able to divide between bone and marrow, soul and spirit. It is YOUR doctrine that cain't discern between soulish things and spiritual....you have to learn the difference.

      When folk come into the church unborn again we detect them, there is no confusion.

      Those who seek spirituality apart from the new birth are all outside the church. There is no confusion.
      While I agree with much of what you say, I can't agree that God created evil. Evil is not a power, it is the absence of good. Just as darkness is the absence of light.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by glorydaz View Post
        While I agree with much of what you say, I can't agree that God created evil. Evil is not a power, it is the absence of good. Just as darkness is the absence of light.
        Then you've never met true evil.

        Isaiah 45:7 KJV I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Totton Linnet View Post
          Amen God is one....He is Father, Son and Holy Ghost
          Bs"d

          So you are saying God is His own father, and at the same time his own son??

          Why is it that Christians cannot count to two??


          "O Y-H-W-H, my strength and my fortress, my refuge in the day of affliction. The Gentiles shall come to You from the ends of the earth and say: “Surely our fathers have inherited lies, worthlessness and unprofitable things. Therefore behold, I will this once cause them to know, I will cause them to know My hand and My might; and they shall know that My name is Y-H-W-H.”
          Jer 16:19-21
          Please be advised that everywhere in your translation of your OT when it is written "the LORD" with all capitals, then in the original Hebrew it says the four lettered name of God: Y-H-W-H. That name appears almost 7000 times in the Hebrew Bible.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Ask Mr. Religion View Post
            Got it.

            Righteous converts still in their fallen mortal bodies during their millennium who are distinguished from the immortals.

            Going to have to create another "rapture" (catching away) for the "mortal believers" that get saved during their millennium in order to allow then to enter the glorified state and eternal bliss.

            After all, where does all the saints in the millennium go when the earth flees away (Revelation 20:11) or passes away (Revelation 21:1-5)? Surely they are not going to pass away when the earth passes away?

            I suppose the first 7 months of this gloriously perfect pristine Eden-like millennium will involve the gruesome and disturbing spectacle of being grave diggers and morticians sweeping up countless corpses (Ezekiel 39:9-14).

            Yup, that works.

            AMR
            Get to the bible dear brother....this doesn't even pass for a caricature [you taught me that] of what I see.

            And I wish you would go beyond the fathers, they had no right to abandon the doctrine of the Lord's 1,000 year glorious reign with His saints. The Mill IS the kingdom of Heaven.

            Thy will be done ON EARTH as it is in heaven. It is as Paul teaches God's plan for the fullness of time [a synonym for the millennial age]

            To UNITE all things whether they be things ON EARTH or things in heaven in Christ.

            Why can this not happen in this age...which has been the forlorn hope of Amillennialism down the centuries?

            Because they contradict the prophetic words of Christ concerning world conditions prior to and up to His return. So this reconciliation must take place after His return...the restoration of all things, as Peter says, as spoken by the mouth of all the prophets since the world began.

            The earth is not going to be blown up at the Lord's return it is Paul says going to be SET FREE from it's bondage to decay.

            The other Possuls never understood this, Paul understood it. These are the things Peter says Paul writes about in all his letters which things be hard to understand. PJ&J never understood the gospel age was to be the church among the nations, they never understood that this was a laying aside of Israel in the purposes of God, they never understood that this church among the nations would have to be removed before God could pour His wrath upon the nations.

            When the church is gone then the rest of mankind will seek the Lord through Israel.

            All these loud bangs and meltings away of the elements take place AFTER the 1,000 years, so Paul was right and the Jerusalem crowd were right. Each in their time
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            • #36
              Originally posted by glorydaz View Post
              While I agree with much of what you say, I can't agree that God created evil. Evil is not a power, it is the absence of good. Just as darkness is the absence of light.
              Yes but that absence is a negative power, now I am not clever enough to know how but I am sure that unless there be darkness there can be no light, there can be no order unless first there be chaos....it is OUT of darkess that God forms light.

              In other words evil is the raw ingredient from which God creates abd is essential to creation. Not essential to God or to good but essential to creation.

              Evil is not sin per se, man's meddling with evil is sin.
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              • #37
                Originally posted by Ask Mr. Religion View Post
                Got it.

                Righteous converts still in their fallen mortal bodies during their millennium who are distinguished from the immortals.

                Going to have to create another "rapture" (catching away) for the "mortal believers" that get saved during their millennium in order to allow then to enter the glorified state and eternal bliss.

                After all, where does all the saints in the millennium go when the earth flees away (Revelation 20:11) or passes away (Revelation 21:1-5)? Surely they are not going to pass away when the earth passes away?

                I suppose the first 7 months of this gloriously perfect pristine Eden-like millennium will involve the gruesome and disturbing spectacle of being grave diggers and morticians sweeping up countless corpses (Ezekiel 39:9-14).

                Yup, that works.

                AMR
                Strange isn't it that you BELIEVE Revs 20.11 and you BELIEVE Revs 21. 1-5 but you stubbornly refuse to believe all that comes between concerning the 1,000 years.

                You play scriptural hopscotch.
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                • #38
                  Jesus is God.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by glorydaz View Post
                    1 - I repped you by mistake on this post. But, I actually don't agree with you here.
                    2 - The word soul is used in two different ways in the Bible.
                    3 - One as living souls, and one as the inner man. The breath of life that makes men living souls is attached to the body. When the breath of life departs, the body dies (no longer a living soul).

                    4 - This verse makes it clear. Man has three distinct parts.

                    5 - 1 Thessalonians 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

                    6 - We also see the soul and spirit and the joints and marrow body.

                    7 - Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
                    1 - Definitely, you have all the right in the world not to agree with me even if you don't know why you do that.

                    2 - Wait! What Bible, the Tanach or the NT? The NT belongs to an absolutely different religion and, in that case, I have no business interfering with unless they are using a Jew to preach against Judaism.

                    3 - I totally agree with that as long as the soul is only the combination of the body with the breath of life. (Gen. 2:7) At the time of death, the combination is undone while the body returns to the dust and the breath of life goes back to God Who gave it to man.

                    4 - No, man has only two distinct parts: The body and the breath of life as soul is only the combination of the others.

                    5 - The spirit is an embellishment to the breath of life which once breathed into man's nostrils, man became a living soul. So, again, according to Gen. 2:7, We are composed of two parts only. Body and the breath of life.

                    6 - No, we don't. We can't see spirits because they are emanations. Unless we see them in a vision or in a dream.

                    7 - These are symbols of other realities from the constitution of man.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by TulipBee View Post
                      Jesus is God.
                      No, he is not; he is dead. According to the Word of God, once dead no one can return from the grave. Read II Sam. 12:23; 14:14; Isaiah 26:14; and Job 7:9.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Totton Linnet View Post
                        Amen God is one....He is Father, Son and Holy Ghost
                        No, the way you count is not of an absolute Oneness. God is absolutely
                        One without any thing else to make two or three of Him in any form whatsoever.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by glorydaz View Post
                          While I agree with much of what you say, I can't agree that God created evil. Evil is not a power, it is the absence of good. Just as darkness is the absence of light.
                          Who created the untold number of viruses that have the power to kill?

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Caino View Post
                            Elia can't be entirely faulted on this issue of the plural manifestation of oneness. This is the problem:

                            * During the evolution of a Oneness God concept in Judaism, it was difficult for the consistency of the monotheistic concept to compete against the erroneous polytheistic beliefs among the surrounding cultures. That is multiple unrelated deities of the moon or fire or rocks or goddesses etc.

                            * A new and true revelation occurred in the incarnation of a Son of God aka Jesus among the Jews as promised; God the Father is at one with subordinate deities of relative divinity, creative powers and authority. To see a Son of God is to see the Father manifest in a subordinate deity.

                            * This new, barely referenced during his incarnate life, revelation in the miraculous person of Christ, was then speculated about in hind sight after he returned to heaven......mixed up with existing Greek concepts that are not really accurate representations of the truth of Christ divine oneness with the Father.

                            * God has created children, some far greater than others in divinity.
                            I knew it would not take too long! Now, you are implying that the One God of the Jewish Monotheism is akin to the Olympian Pantheon of Greek Mythology with a son qua Demigod, which is the son of a God with an earthly woman. (Mat. 1:18) Totally wrong from the Scriptures which Jesus always referred to as Word of God aka the Tanach.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Elia View Post
                              Why is it that Christians cannot count to two??
                              Why is it you cannot count to one? It was the Father who raised the Son from death and gave him immortality.

                              The United States is one nation, not fifty and believers in the efficacy of Jesus Christ are one body made up of many members.

                              Jesus Christ and his Father are unified in Spirit as one Spirit.

                              You will probably never grasp the concept of E Pluribus Unum because it is too difficult for you.

                              Too bad.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by RBBI View Post
                                The Shema was a statement concerning what happened on Mt. Sinai which was a wedding ketubah between His new bride and Him. He was telling them they were one with Him now, as a man and His wife are one.

                                This was underscored when they didn't listen and went whoring after other gods to join themselves to. As a result; because they denied their oneness which was the same as denying their very identity and existance, as a man thinketh in His heart so is he, and they ceased to exist as nation for a season of judgment.

                                Her husband loved her so much He came back to get her in bodily form but they were busy serving mammon and hating the other because we cannot serve HaShem and mammon (moneychangers) else you'll hate one and love the other, and hate and murder being the same sin, they participated in murdering her husband. Satan was a murderer from the beginning and so she was told she had joined herself to Satan.

                                And STILL He loves her and weeps for her and will return for her again. Peace
                                Now, qua Dostoevski, you have blamed every one but Paul for being a special man with the right to serve two masters: God in his mind and sin in his flesh. And mind you, for that kind of life, Paul thanked God for Jesus having released him from the Law. (Rom. 7:6, 25) Regardless of Jesus' word that no one could serve two masters. (Mat. 6:24)

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