Someone new looking in who thinks that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week and who thinks that the "heart of the earth" means the tomb and who tries to get around Matthew 12:40 by saying that it is a common Jewish idiom, may know of some writing as requested in the OP.
Matthew 12:40
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jamie,
re: "Why does it matter what Matthew 12:40 means?
For the purpose of this topic, it doesn't (matter).
re: "What are you trying to prove?"
Not exactly prove - I'm simply wondering if there is any writing from the first century or before which shows a phrase stating a specific number of days and/or a specific number of nights being used when it absolutely couldn't have included at least parts of each one of the specific number of days and at least parts of each one of the specific number of nights.
re: "Why does it matter what Matthew 12:40 means?
For the purpose of this topic, it doesn't (matter).
re: "What are you trying to prove?"
Not exactly prove - I'm simply wondering if there is any writing from the first century or before which shows a phrase stating a specific number of days and/or a specific number of nights being used when it absolutely couldn't have included at least parts of each one of the specific number of days and at least parts of each one of the specific number of nights.
Since it's has again been awhile, someone new looking in who thinks that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week and who thinks that the "heart of the earth" means the tomb and who tries to get around Matthew 12:40 by saying that it is a common Jewish idiom, may know of some writing as requested in the OP.
genuineoriginal
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Many people rightly believe that Jesus was crucified on the sixth day of the week, spent the Sabbath in the grave, and rose early on the first day of the following week, since that is what is recorded in the Gospels and in the writings of the early church.
Some people wrongly believe that Jesus was crucified on the fourth day of the week, spent the fifth and sixth days in the grave, and rose late on the Sabbath day, just because they can't understand what is written in the Gospels and in the writings of the early church.
intojoy,
re: "Rose again - Saturday night 6pm"
Since you're not a 6th day of the week crucifixion advocate, you probably won't know of any writing as requested in the OP.
BTW, if by Saturday you mean the seventh day of the week, then the night of the seventh day consists of the first half of the new calendar day. Do you really mean that the resurrection took place sometime before the daylight half of the seventh day began?
Also, you say He "rose again". When do you say He had previously risen?
re: "Rose again - Saturday night 6pm"
Since you're not a 6th day of the week crucifixion advocate, you probably won't know of any writing as requested in the OP.
BTW, if by Saturday you mean the seventh day of the week, then the night of the seventh day consists of the first half of the new calendar day. Do you really mean that the resurrection took place sometime before the daylight half of the seventh day began?
Also, you say He "rose again". When do you say He had previously risen?
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genuineoriginal
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There is nothing to get around.
You are the one that can't accept the words for what they meant when they were written.
Ignatius of Antioch lived 35 CE to 117 CE, which was during the time that the Gospels were written and was taught by the Apostle John, who was an eyewitness to the events written in the Gospels and the writer of one of them.
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Ignatius Epistle to the Trallians Chapter 9
On the day of the preparation, then, at the third hour, He received the sentence from Pilate, the Father permitting that to happen; at the sixth hour He was crucified; at the ninth hour He gave up the ghost; and before sunset He was buried. During the Sabbath He continued under the earth in the tomb in which Joseph of Arimathæa had laid Him. At the dawning of the Lord’s day He arose from the dead, according to what was spoken by Himself, “As Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly, so shall the Son of man also be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.” The day of the preparation, then, comprises the passion; the Sabbath embraces the burial; the Lord’s Day contains the resurrection.
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Ignatius Epistle to the Trallians Chapter 9
On the day of the preparation, then, at the third hour, He received the sentence from Pilate, the Father permitting that to happen; at the sixth hour He was crucified; at the ninth hour He gave up the ghost; and before sunset He was buried. During the Sabbath He continued under the earth in the tomb in which Joseph of Arimathæa had laid Him. At the dawning of the Lord’s day He arose from the dead, according to what was spoken by Himself, “As Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly, so shall the Son of man also be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.” The day of the preparation, then, comprises the passion; the Sabbath embraces the burial; the Lord’s Day contains the resurrection.
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You have to show how Ignatius is mistaken after he was personally taught about the crucifixion, burial, and resurrection of Jesus by the writer of one of the four Gospels and eyewitness to the events.
genuineoriginal,
re: "There is nothing to get around."
Sure there is. There are some who say that Matthew 12:40 is using common Jewish idiomatic language. If it can be said that it is a common iidiom, I'd think that there should be several examples from the period to support that assertion. I'm simply asking to see at least one example which shows a phrase stating a specific number of days and/or a specific number of nights when the length of time absolutely couldn't have included at least parts of each one of the specific number of days and at least parts of each one of the specific number of nights.
re: "There is nothing to get around."
Sure there is. There are some who say that Matthew 12:40 is using common Jewish idiomatic language. If it can be said that it is a common iidiom, I'd think that there should be several examples from the period to support that assertion. I'm simply asking to see at least one example which shows a phrase stating a specific number of days and/or a specific number of nights when the length of time absolutely couldn't have included at least parts of each one of the specific number of days and at least parts of each one of the specific number of nights.
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