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  • #91
    Originally posted by way 2 go View Post
    it was hot in the summer , must be climate change

    my summer wasn't hot , must be climate change.
    (Barbarian checks)

    The last three summers have been the hottest on record...
    https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/t...LB.Ts+dSST.txt

    still have a hole in the ozone layer
    Well, let's take a look...
    https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ern-hemisphere

    They fooled you again.

    no change in ocean levels in the last 30 years


    ice comes ice goes
    Mostly goes...



    They can fool you only as long as you don't think for yourself.

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    • #92
      Originally posted by way 2 go View Post
      it was hot in the summer , must be climate change

      my summer wasn't hot , must be climate change.

      still have a hole in the ozone layer but it did raise the price of refrigerant
      R12 refrigerant $10 for 30lbs very effective cooling ,
      R1234YF refrigerant $1000 for 10lbs not very effective cooling and leaks like helium .

      asthma inhalers $10 now "ozone friendly " 60-80
      The ozone hole has diminished considerably.
      A good thing that we responded early enough..... about thirty years ago, to see results like that today.
      You can see them too.


      no change in ocean levels in the last 30 years
      ice comes ice goes
      Well, unfortunately at this time, the ice is going, melting...... now why could that be? Warming, possibly?



      local air quality dose not equate climate change
      Ah, but one of the benefits of thinking 'clean' is that people stay healthier; it's one of the benefits of trying to clean up our environs.

      And we are saving so much of our money! Now that should appeal to you, you seem paranoid about everyone trying to rip you off... No? Our new homes are very easy to keep warm in winter, and again, this reduces greenhouse gases whilst helping our pockets.


      when comes time to change the battery , the battery cost as much as the car

      you get to buy a new car , funny how the automotive industry keeps
      winning first with the ozone scare now climate change
      I expect that you enjoy good profits in what you do?
      And research is continually increasing battery performance while reducing costs.

      Commerce, Industry, retail and travel all provide good services to their communities.... don't moan if those workers get decent livelihoods out of their work.


      We have been discussing bird-strike deaths caused by wind-turbines, as if high rise buildings in general didn't inflict similar injuries.

      So when I saw a team of engineers leaving one of the wind-farm launches I asked about this. They don't get too many problems with gulls because they don't fly straight and fast, but a colony of Northern Divers spend the winter around the area of the London Array and they do fly fast/straight which meant that at night they were hitting the turbines. But after installation all the turbines were fitted with very bright red fixed and flashing lights and these seem to have helped considerably.

      Obviously some members are very concerned about bird-strikes on wind generators, and no doubt show equal concern over road-kill and such incidents. It's nice to converse with nature lovers like that.

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      • #93
        Originally posted by The Barbarian View Post
        (Barbarian checks)

        The last three summers have been the hottest on record...
        https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/t...LB.Ts+dSST.txt
        not the hottest here

        I like the omission of outlier data , you know the data that didn't fit the narrative

        takata airbags also omitted outlier information from their test
        now we have the largest automotive recall in history
        "fake science" gotta love it .

        Well, let's take a look...
        https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ern-hemisphere

        They fooled you again.
        thanks for a link that shows a hole in the ozone layer
        and a 40 year away prediction for it closing

        "The ozone layer is showing signs of continuing recovery from man-made damage and is likely to heal fully by 2060, new evidence shows."



        Mostly goes...



        They can fool you only as long as you don't think for yourself.

        "According to the new analysis of satellite data, the Antarctic ice sheet showed a net gain of 112 billion tons of ice a year from 1992 to 2001. That net gain slowed to 82 billion tons of ice per year between 2003 and 2008."

        link

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        • #94
          Originally posted by way 2 go View Post
          not the hottest here
          Well, your perception as to how it was around your house really doesn't do much to contradict the fact that the last three summers were hotter than any previous ones.

          I like the omission of outlier data
          Yes, you do, but using your perceptions of things around your place, doesn't even qualify as data. It would qualify as "outlier", though.

          you know the data that didn't fit the narrative
          Sorry, it's not data.

          (tries to change subject)

          takata ...
          Nice try.

          thanks for a link that shows a hole in the ozone layer
          Closing faster than predicted.

          (Waytogo is shocked! to learn that warmer seas produce more precipitation)


          "According to the new analysis of satellite data, the Antarctic ice sheet showed a net gain of 112 billion tons of ice a year from 1992 to 2001. That net gain slowed to 82 billion tons of ice per year between 2003 and 2008."

          link



          Yep. Warmer seas, more water in the air, more precipitation, and the ice sheet in the center of the continent grows. Notice the extreme losses at the edge. This is the big worry now, since that means ice shelves, some as large as states, can break off and drift north to melt.

          So that means that even as the ice cap grows, Antarctica has a net loss of ice?

          Yep:

          Antarctic Ice Loss Speeds Up, Nearly Matches Greenland Loss

          Antarctica showing ice loss between 1996 and 2005 Antarctic ice loss between 1996 and 2006, overlaid on a Moderate Resolution Imaging Spectroradiometer (MODIS) mosaic image of Antarctica. The colors indicate the speed of the ice loss. Purple/red is fast. Green is slow. Image credit: NASA
          › Larger view PASADENA, Calif. - Ice loss in Antarctica increased by 75 percent in the last 10 years due to a speed-up in the flow of its glaciers and is now nearly as great as that observed in Greenland, according to a new, comprehensive study by NASA and university scientists.

          In a first-of-its-kind study, an international team led by Eric Rignot of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., and the University of California, Irvine, estimated changes in Antarctica's ice mass between 1996 and 2006 and mapped patterns of ice loss on a glacier-by-glacier basis. They detected a sharp jump in Antarctica's ice loss, from enough ice to raise global sea level by 0.3 millimeters (.01 inches) a year in 1996, to 0.5 millimeters (.02 inches) a year in 2006.


          The same thing is going on in Greenland. There's more precipitation, even as the coastline is melting faster and faster.
          https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-thought-study

          The extra snowfall is helping to slow the rise in sea level, but Greenland is now a major net loser of ice, and Antarctica is not far behind. As your source points, out, the balance is shifting toward melting on the ice caps, too.

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          • #95
            Barbarian likes making things up.
            Where is the evidence for a global flood?
            E≈mc2
            "the best maths don't need no stinkin' numbers"

            "The waters under the 'expanse' were under the crust."
            -Bob B.

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            • #96
              Originally posted by The Barbarian View Post
              Well, your perception as to how it was around your house really doesn't do much to contradict the fact that the last three summers were hotter than any previous ones.
              1100 to 1300ad and was warmer & 1600 -1700 was cooler but that does not fit your narrative

              which brings us full circle , the hockey stick graph is a lie



              Yes, you do, but using your perceptions of things around your place, doesn't even qualify as data. It would qualify as "outlier", though.
              data that doesn't fit your narrative is everywhere
              along with the failed predictions & The hockey stick graph lie

              Closing faster than predicted.
              40 years from now

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              • #97
                Originally posted by way 2 go View Post
                1100 to 1300ad and was warmer & 1600 -1700 was cooler but that does not fit your narrative
                It fits the data. Your problem is you don't accept the recent data.

                Which brings us full circle , the hockey stick graph was accurately predicted by James Hansen, thirty years in advance. No point in denying the fact. Data that doesn't fit your narrative is everywhere, along with the failed denier predictions of global cooling.

                You should probably know that most deniers now admit the fact of warming (that's the "hockey stick" thing you were talking about) but just deny that humans have anything to do with it. Would you like to learn how we know they're wrong about that, too?

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by way 2 go View Post
                  the hockey stick graph is a lie
                  Why does ExxonMobil say otherwise?

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by The Barbarian View Post
                    It fits the data. Your problem is you don't accept the recent data.

                    Which brings us full circle , the hockey stick graph was accurately predicted by James Hansen, thirty years in advance. No point in denying the fact. Data that doesn't fit your narrative is everywhere, along with the failed denier predictions of global cooling.

                    You should probably know that most deniers now admit the fact of warming (that's the "hockey stick" thing you were talking about) but just deny that humans have anything to do with it. Would you like to learn how we know they're wrong about that, too?
                    Nope.

                    Would you like to learn how we know you're lying?
                    Where is the evidence for a global flood?
                    E≈mc2
                    "the best maths don't need no stinkin' numbers"

                    "The waters under the 'expanse' were under the crust."
                    -Bob B.

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                    • Originally posted by Stripe View Post
                      Would you like to learn how we know you're lying?
                      Why is ExxonMobil lying?

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                      • Stripe actually believed ExxonMobile when they said that there was no warming on the way. As you know, they were actually planning operations with procedures to compensate for warming.

                        He still doesn't realize that they were lying to him.

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                        • 14 is the new 15

                          In March 1988, a few months before NASA's James Hansen asserted before the Congress that global warming was in progress, the New York Times quoted him as saying that he used 59 degrees Fahrenheit as the average global temperature to calculate the temperature variations.

                          Significantly, Mann used 15 degrees Celsius as the baseline temperature while calculating the parameters of the annual temperature cycle (see Figure 2 in his paper). Although he could have picked any value in the cycle, he picked 15 degrees Celsius, and it is reasonable to assume that he did so because it was the accepted long-term global average temperature.


                          15 degrees did not fit the narrative and since it's not science they changed it to 14 degrees



                          In literature published after the 1997 report by Worldwatch Institute, the leaders of the global warming movement seem to have started using 14 degrees Celsius for the global average temperature. In 2002, the Sydney Morning Herald quoted James Hansen, who mentioned this new average.

                          The IPCC too now uses 14 degrees Celsius as its base temperature, as can be seen from a graph that is part of its 2007 document.


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                          • Originally posted by way 2 go View Post
                            In March 1988, a few months before NASA's James Hansen asserted before the Congress that global warming was in progress, the New York Times quoted him as saying that he used 59 degrees Fahrenheit as the average global temperature to calculate the temperature variations.

                            Significantly, Mann used 15 degrees Celsius as the baseline temperature while calculating the parameters of the annual temperature cycle (see Figure 2 in his paper). Although he could have picked any value in the cycle, he picked 15 degrees Celsius, and it is reasonable to assume that he did so because it was the accepted long-term global average temperature.
                            Because the dope who wrote this foolishness doesn't understand the most basic principles of mathematics, he doesn't realize that changing the base temperature will have exactly zero effect on the shape of the curve.

                            He's probably the dumbest denier out there. And he managed to fool someone.

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                            • Originally posted by The Barbarian View Post
                              [ QUOTE = way 2 go;5361683]14 is the new 15

                              In March 1988, a few months before NASA's James Hansen asserted before the Congress that global warming was in progress, the New York Times quoted him as saying that he used 59 degrees Fahrenheit as the average global temperature to calculate the temperature variations.

                              [FONT=times new roman]Significantly, Mann used 15 degrees Celsius as the baseline temperature while calculating the parameters of the annual temperature cycle (see Figure 2 in his paper). Although he could have picked any value in the cycle, he picked 15 degrees Celsius, and it is reasonable to assume that he did so because it was the accepted long-term global average temperature.

                              Because this dope doesn't understand the most basic principle of mathematics, he doesn't realize that changing the base temperature will have exactly zero effect on the shape of the curve.

                              He's probably the dumbest denier out there. And he managed to fool someone.
                              Formatting Barb. You're getting lazy again.

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                              • Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post
                                Formatting Barb. You're getting lazy again.
                                he was too excited to take advantage of the opportunity to laugh at someone

                                what a waste

                                remember what Knight thought about him?


                                Originally posted by Knight View Post
                                The Barbarian is a jerk who has posted on TOL for years and when he makes a database wasting post he exposes himself to possible banishment. Heck it wouldn't hurt my feeling at all to permanently ban him.
                                Originally posted by Knight View Post
                                Essentially I'm just looking for reasons to ban folks like Barbarian because he's done the same thing on TOL for probably 10 years or so. It's just a waste of effort.

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