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Name them and support them. This is just hand waving. Please start arguing your case.
Should Children Be Executed If They've...
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marhig
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It amazes me how people say that the laws of the old testament are abolished, until it suits them!
As I said earlier, Jesus said those without sin cast the first stone!
genuineoriginal
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I see your "death penalty is the problem" and raise you "no, it is the lawyers that are the problem".
genuineoriginal
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They are doing it wrong, then.
marhig
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It's right to do whatever we have to do at the time of being attacked to protect our children and families, it's not right to purposely kill people.
Jesus taught us to love our enemies, do good to those that hate us, bless those that curse us and pray for those who dispitefully use us. He didn't teach us to kill others. If people do wicked acts then they should be put away for life, and in cases of murdering children life should mean life.
Ian Brady, the Moors murderer killed many children, and he was imprisoned for life, but he wanted to die because he knew that he'd never get out again. He suffered more by living a life in prison than being put to death. Anyone who harms a child should be locked away and they shouldn't have an easy life in prison either. And they shouldn't be let out on parole.
marhig
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What? Are you crazy?
genuineoriginal
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| 1929: Carl Newton Mahan, murderer at six Carl and Cecil were looking for pieces of scrap iron to sell and make some money. Carl found one but Cecil snatched it from him and then hit him. Carl then run home, got on top of a chair, took the gun that his father held above the door and went back to Cecil. When he saw his friend he yelled, “Now I’m going to shoot you!” Then he pressed the trigger. Cecil died and Carl became one of the youngest killers in history. |
| 2000: Boy, 6, Accused in Classmate's Killing A 6-year-old boy sneaked a loaded handgun into a crowded elementary school here today and shot a classmate to death early this morning in front of a large group of first-grade students, said police officials here. The police said that they did not know the motive for shooting but that they recovered a stolen .32-caliber semiautomatic handgun at the scene and took the boy into protective custody. |
Then you're seeing things.
The problem WITH the DP is that it puts innocent people to death, a thing we have no right to do. Fortunately, we don't have to do that to protect society or punish the guilty (so far as we know them to be). And if we get it wrong and that wrong is proven we can recompense to some extent the wrongfully convicted and held.
That's not raising the bar, that's lowering the argument to an absurd play at popular misconception and irrationality. But hey, you go with what you have left, eh?
It doesn't amaze me that you would make such an accusation.
Marhig, please provide scripture that shows the death penalty to be repealed that, when taken at face value, does not conflict with other scriptures taken at face value.
I'm going to refer you to this post, where I would like you to read through GO's, Stripe's, and my arguments why Jesus saying that did not repeal the death penalty.
https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?ur...share_pid=5271673&share_fid=4230&share_type=t
In a nutshell:
Jesus said "go and sin no more" because "by two or three witnesses a matter shall be established, and since there were no witnesses remaining to accuse the woman, she would have been found innocent according to the law.
marhig
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I totally agree!!!Why are you so reticent to answer? You not only advocate that children as young as six should be put to death but you've described a case where it would even be appropriate for the form of execution to be by stabbing. So why don't you step up to the plate and acknowledge that you would be prepared to do as you advocate and be the one who would be prepared to knife a "child criminal" as young as six to their death?
Someone would have to do it after all? What's the matter, getting a bit uncomfortable for you all of a sudden? I don't advocate such barbarism and frankly, it would take someone with an absolutely psychopathic personality to even entertain the thought of plunging a knife into a child to kill them. But someone would have to in order for your idea of "justice" to be carried out wouldn't they?
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Arthur Brain
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Did you have a point to make? Otherwise, would you be one who was willing to kill a six year old child if you advocate the DP for children?
genuineoriginal
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No, it doesn't.
Committing a capital crime requires committing an act that is a capital offense.
marhig
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You wouldn't do it, but you would expect someone else to kill a 6 year old. Is that right?
Incorrect.
genuineoriginal
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Please post the Bible verses that state that someone that eats shellfish is to be put to death.
Failure to do so will prove that your shellfish argument is a strawman argument.
Marhig, they make Jesus into a trial lawyer getting someone off on the letter of the law while rejecting in that the spirit and point of it.
They never called witnesses. In that same thread you'll find my setting out the approach to witnesses actually called by Jewish law. None of it happened. In fact, forget two or more required for the DP imposition, he gives any one of them license to take a stone and kill the woman provided that person was without sin. That is to say, he robbed them of even the pretense of moral authority. He changed something and I believe he did it intentionally, as a foreshadowing of the fulfillment of the law. The woman was guilty. Jesus, being God, could have served the law by instructing the trap layers in it. He didn't.
Don't believe anyone who says that Christ did something those same people would find reprehensible in a modern courtroom. And make no mistake, if a lawyer got a guilty man or woman off by noting, say, a problem with the chain of evidence that excluded clear and incontrovertible proof of guilt, they wouldn't be defending it...that's what follows if you agree with how they see Jesus in that moment, even if they don't or won't see it.
genuineoriginal
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What capital offense did the glass house commit?
Yo will never get me to agree with your statement. A crime requires intent. The bible says do not murder, it does not say do not kill. I hope you understand the difference.
marhig
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So what about loving your enemy, doing good to those that hate you, blessing those who curse you and praying for those who dispitefully use you?
Did Jesus want those who crucified him murdered? Or did he ask God to forgive them?
Killing is of the world, and the world will punish as they see fit. But those of God follow Jesus and he didn't kill anyone, he was full of forgiveness and mercy.
Although I do believe that anyone who commits premeditated murder should have a whole life sentence with no parole and no easy ride.
We are to bring the new and living way of Christ Jesus, and leave judgement to God. He will deal with those who do evil.
Romans 12
Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men. If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men. Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
genuineoriginal
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The Bible says that the state is responsible for executing the people that do evil.
Romans 13:3-5 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: 4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. 5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. |
The purpose is to rid the community of evil.
Deuteronomy 21:21 21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear. |
This purpose is two-fold:
- Make the community safer by removing the evil one that is causing harm.
- Stop the spread of evil ideas by a display of the consequences of doing evil.