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  • #91
    Originally posted by way 2 go View Post

    so by that logic a baby does not have the right to life
    good point, but I'd nuance that by saying that by that logic a baby doesn't have the right to the care that insures life

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    • #92
      does an adult have a right to life, in the context of demanding that others provide the means for maintaining that life?


      If I get smooshed by a truck and lie on the pavement bleeding out, does my right to life overrule your right to pass me by?

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      • #93
        Originally posted by way 2 go View Post

        so by that logic a baby does not have the right to life
        You're having a problem with context. Clete was specifically talking about property rights.
        All of my ancestors are human.
        Originally posted by Squeaky
        That explains why your an idiot.
        Originally posted by God's Truth
        Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
        Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
        (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

        1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
        (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

        Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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        • #94
          Originally posted by Right Divider View Post

          You're having a problem with context. Clete was specifically talking about property rights.

          if my life is at risk, am I justified in violating your property rights?

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          • #95
            Originally posted by ok doser View Post
            does an adult have a right to life, in the context of demanding that others provide the means for maintaining that life?


            If I get smooshed by a truck and lie on the pavement bleeding out, does my right to life overrule your right to pass me by?
            where do rights end and responsibility begin

            Am I my brother's keeper?

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            • #96
              Originally posted by ok doser View Post


              if my life is at risk, am I justified in violating your property rights?
              something like
              can I steal your truck to drive myself to the hospital ?

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by Arthur Brain View Post
                  (Lazarus) should have just got a job before any such situation came about then shouldn't he? Then (Lazarus) wouldn't have had those sores and no need to beg for scraps of food, right?
                  Considering the situation in which Lazurus found himself, a beggar, covered with sores, unable to walk - would he have been justified, Arthur Brain , in stealing what he needed?

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by way 2 go View Post
                    something like
                    can I steal your truck to drive myself to the hospital ?
                    something very like - I had in mind a situation I found myself in forty years ago, out on the water in a boat that died, very late in the season with a storm blowing in, on an island with resources that would have provided for survival if I was willing to break a lock or two.

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                    • Originally posted by way 2 go View Post

                      where do rights end and responsibility begin

                      Am I my brother's keeper?
                      indeed

                      but do I have the right to demand from my brother resources that God is willing to let him deny me?

                      and to use the power of the state to back up that demand?

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                      • Originally posted by jgarden View Post
                        rather, a refusal of the attempts by the socialist/marxist/communist left to justify using the force of the state to take that which should be freely given
                        Last edited by ok doser; January 20, 2020, 06:04 PM.

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                        • Originally posted by way 2 go View Post

                          so by that logic a baby does not have the right to life
                          Originally posted by ok doser View Post

                          good point, but I'd nuance that by saying that by that logic a baby doesn't have the right to the care that insures life
                          for instance

                          millions of people die from starvation every year

                          would it, therefore, be justifiable to take away the salaries of all the UN officials and staff to prevent that?

                          Arthur Brain , why or why not?

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                          • Originally posted by ok doser View Post

                            something very like - I had in mind a situation I found myself in forty years ago, out on the water in a boat that died, very late in the season with a storm blowing in, on an island with resources that would have provided for survival if I was willing to break a lock or two.
                            no God given right to steal
                            biblicaly speaking you would have to pay restitution for the damage done by the B&E & for the supplies taken

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                            • Originally posted by way 2 go View Post

                              so by that logic a baby does not have the right to life
                              What?

                              How can you live with yourself when your mind is so twisted and hideous?!

                              Who besides God provides life to a baby? Are you referring to food and shelter? That too is provided by God so long as we don't forcibly rip a baby from it's mother's womb.

                              After the baby is born, God continues to provide for the child through his mother's breast. Are you suggesting that because a baby cannot feed itself that a mother has the right to refuse to allow the child to suckle her breast? The child didn't choose to be born or even conceived. The parents made that choice and there are consequences and responsibilities that come along with it, including providing for the needs of their own children.

                              Of course, the avoidance of consequences of one's actions is what the left is all about, right? The lazy shouldn't go hungry, the incompetent shouldn't be poor, the slut shouldn't have to mother her children, the thief shouldn't be made to pay restitution and the murderer shouldn't be executed.


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                              • Originally posted by jgarden View Post
                                No!

                                What the conservative advocates is not selfishness but freedom! The conservative is not apposed to helping the poor, he is apposed to Robin Hood!
                                Stealing from the rich to give to the poor is a double crime! The thief does his stealing and then the poor receive stolen goods. It is theft that the conservative apposes not charity.

                                The conservative believes that the man who earned his money is a far better judge of who should be the recipients of his charity than the government is. Just like nearly everything else the government touches, charity is corrupted into something grotesque that has more to do with politicians maintaining their power than it does with helping the poor or downtrodden. Indeed, the politician needs the downtrodden to remain in need of the politician's handouts or else he might pull the lever for something other than the Robin Hood / Santa Claus side of the ticket.
                                Last edited by Clete; January 22, 2020, 10:44 AM.
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