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  • #16
    Originally posted by ok doser View Post
    or give up central heating in the winter and central air in the summer
    Ouch, we never turn off our air-condition even in winter, its sometimes 90 degrees here on Christmas in South Florida...

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Hobie View Post
      The thing is that is our future, there is no way around it, nobody is going to stop living the way they do or give their fast and furious $52,000 Mustang or $57,000 F150 Monster truck, and walk or bicycle to work. Just aint going to happen.........
      I can remember the first oil shock, when Arab countries stopped shipments to the U.S. Gasoline prices shot up, long lines at the pumps, etc.

      And people started carpooling, honking and shouting at people going over 55, and so on. In a genuine crisis, we still pull together. Hope we never lose that.
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      • #18
        Climate is really changing. Yesterday saw weather report and was surprised. In the south of Spain it is +47C and in Moscow in the middle of summer it is +13C... how is it even possible?! My friend who is from Russia decided to buy property in Athens as he is tired of living in a cold country and now it is even cold during summer.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Morkone View Post
          Climate is really changing.

          Always has, always will

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          • #20
            And it's official:

            July 2019 has replaced July 2016 as the hottest month on record, with meteorologists saying that global temperatures marginally exceeded the previous record.
            The European Union's Copernicus Climate Change Programme, which analyzes temperature data from around the planet, said that July was around 0.56 °C warmer than the global average temperature between 1981-2010.
            That's slightly hotter than July 2016, when the world was in the throes of one of the strongest El Niño events on record.

            El Niño events are characterized by warming of the ocean waters in the Pacific Ocean and have a pronounced warming effect on the Earth's average temperature.
            Though there was a weak El Niño in place during the first part of 2019, it is transitioning to a more neutral phase, making the extreme July temperatures even more alarming.

            https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/05/world...ntl/index.html

            If things continue as they are this year, the last five years will be the hottest five years of global temperatures on record.

            There are always variations. Here's how it looked globally in July:
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            • #21
              Where is the evidence for a global flood?
              E≈mc2
              "the best maths don't need no stinkin' numbers"

              "The waters under the 'expanse' were under the crust."
              -Bob B.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Morkone View Post
                how is it even possible?!
                See above. Notice that the North Atlantic and the Moscow Oblast were much colder than normal. Moscow's highs went down into the upper 60s. On the other hand, notice huge ares of the Earth with much higher than normal temperatures, and many large areas with record high temperatures.

                People who confuse weather and climate, never figure this out.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by The Barbarian View Post
                  . . . the hottest month on record, . . . the hottest five years of global temperatures on record.
                  So does that mean that it's possible that there are hotter periods that AREN'T on record, and if so, could this just be a foothill compared to that mountain?

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by The Barbarian View Post
                    The Sahara is retreating, and the Sahel is greener. On the other hand, the American West is getting drier and warmer.
                    I see deserts as problems, all of them. They are fundamentally alien. Our planet is green as a rule, and deserts look more like Mars. I'd be on board with waging war on deserts. I think it could only help our climate, 'ceteris paribus.'
                    "Those who believe in Christ" are all the Christians, Catholic or not.

                    @Nee_Nihilo

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post
                      So does that mean that it's possible that there are hotter periods that AREN'T on record, and if so, could this just be a foothill compared to that mountain?
                      Yep. 90 million years ago, it was a lot warmer. Then a catastrophic change cooled things off, killing all land animals larger than a few kilograms in mass. Likely the Chixlub object strike, along with the eruption of the Deccan traps, was the initiator.

                      Our civilization just depends on the climate in which it developed, much as the civilizations of the fertile crescent depended on the climate there. Then mismanagement turned that garden into a desert.

                      The basic difference between them and us, is that our civilization has become worldwide, and we now have the technology and the power to do that to the planet.
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Idolater View Post
                        I see deserts as problems, all of them. They are fundamentally alien. Our planet is green as a rule, and deserts look more like Mars. I'd be on board with waging war on deserts. I think it could only help our climate, 'ceteris paribus.'
                        I've got some fairly good news for you. Warmer climate should greatly reduce the extent of the Sahara. Unfortunately, it is now drying out the Great Basin in the United States; the effect is now being seen from Nebraska to the Rocky Mountains.
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by The Barbarian View Post
                          Yep. 90 million years ago, it was a lot warmer.
                          90 million years ago heat didn't exist.

                          See how easy it is to assume your position is correct?

                          Then a catastrophic change cooled things off, killing all land animals larger than a few kilograms in mass. Likely the Chixlub object strike, along with the eruption of the Deccan traps, was the initiator.
                          OR, only around 5000 years ago the earth was ravaged by a global flood and has been ringing like a bell ever since...

                          Our civilization just depends on the climate in which it developed, much as the civilizations of the fertile crescent depended on the climate there. Then mismanagement turned that garden into a desert.

                          The basic difference between them and us, is that our civilization has become worldwide, and we now have the technology and the power to do that to the planet.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by The Barbarian View Post
                            . . . mismanagement turned that garden into a desert.

                            The basic difference between them and us, is that our civilization has become worldwide, and we now have the technology and the power to do that to the planet.
                            And we also have the technology and power to wage war on deserts. Fertile soil is basically two things, inorganic material and organic material. Deserts are full of sand, that's one possible type of inorganic material in fertile soil (along with silt and clay). All we need to do is get compost, or humus, into deserts, to make them fertile.

                            Of course we need water too, but in deserts, water without humus is just wet sand.
                            "Those who believe in Christ" are all the Christians, Catholic or not.

                            @Nee_Nihilo

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by The Barbarian View Post
                              Warmer climate . . . is now drying out the Great Basin in the United States; the effect is now being seen from Nebraska to the Rocky Mountains.
                              Compost!
                              "Those who believe in Christ" are all the Christians, Catholic or not.

                              @Nee_Nihilo

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Idolater View Post
                                And we also have the technology and power to wage war on deserts. Fertile soil is basically two things, inorganic material and organic material. Deserts are full of sand, that's one possible type of inorganic material in fertile soil (along with silt and clay). All we need to do is get compost, or humus, into deserts, to make them fertile.

                                Of course we need water too, but in deserts, water without humus is just wet sand.
                                Desert soil, if merely watered, is usually very fertile. Sand dunes, not so much, but most deserts are not sand dunes. If you're out by El Paso in the spring, it's astonishing how fast that barren desert turns green and flowered, when the spring rains get there.



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