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  • Sports Talk 2018: Lebron to Brady and Everything in Between

    Thought it wouldn't hurt to have a general sports talk thread, though I'm not sure how many are left who care about it.

    I'll start with the NBA, just wrapping up its season.

    I didn't watch a single game of the NBA finals this year for the first time in memory. And I'm about as indifferent to the NBA as I've ever been. I didn't watch because the Cavs couldn't play defense and I knew that all it would take was them running into a healthy GS to end the run, most likely with a broom. Without KD the Warriors were compelling. With him it felt largely like a Globetrotters game. GS felt it too, giving up on a few games during the season and taking too long to take Houston seriously, lucky to escape that series via injury to Paul. The Cavs got a similar break facing a hobbled Boston.

    So a healthy Warriors got a wake up call and there was nothing in Cleveland that was going to surprise or upset them. I know it looked like it might have been a series, at least a five or six game series, without knuckle headed moves by the Browns, I mean Cavs resident knuckle head, but that would have at best delayed the inevitable. There are two teams in the east positioning themselves to give GS a match and neither of those is from Ohio.

    Here's hoping James goes to Philly or Houston. Otherwise, I'm thinking next year might be the first time I miss an entire season. . . well, not exactly miss it.
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  • #2
    The All Blacks take on France in about an hour.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Stripe View Post
      The All Blacks take on France in about an hour.
      Apparently a yellow card turned what had been a contest into a route in the second half, with a final score of 52 - 11. That's a beatdown.
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      • #4
        Meanwhile, I was watching a YT video where a lot of the best NBA players past and present were talking about their all time starters. More often than not my favorite player, Larry Bird, made the list. But one thing irked me, the familiar "But Bird was a defensive liability," was a caveat for a couple, including Kevin Garnett, who used that as why he wasn't the small forward choice.

        That's why KG gave his spot to Kevin Durant. Another guy in the comments section said that KD could already do everything else better than Larry at this point, so forget the Larry/LeBron bit, move James to forward and Durant to small forward.

        But Larry, before the back injury, actually was a good defender. How good? He was a 3 time all defense team member, something Durant hasn't managed. And Bird was neck and neck with Durant on blocks and steals, splitting the marginal difference between them. He was a better rebounder, much better at assists, and their shooting percentages were close across the board, with Larry winning the marginal numbers game 2-1.

        Now if you take him in his prime and weed out a few years where he was still playing great, but the back impacted degree, then Bird pulls away a bit more. LeBron's numbers are similar to Durant, except James is much weaker as a FT shooter. He's only 1 assist behind Larry though, so better as a distributor than Durant.

        My starting 5 using the modern system:

        One guard - Magic, with Stockton as his backup
        Two guard - Michael, with Oscar as his backup
        Three guard - LeBron, with Larry as his backup
        Four guard - Duncan, with Malone as his backup
        Five - Olajuwon, with Jabar as his backup

        The only reason I take LeBron over Bird is athleticism. Most of my starters are athletic enough to play other positions and to be completely nonplussed by the man across from them. Very hard to make a pick matter with this group. But if I'm starting a team with anyone I begin with Bird, who made his teammates better than almost anyone else on the list.
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        • #5
          As a Warriors fan I am happy to see another NBA title but this Finals was kind of boring. I didn't want to see the Cavs yet again. I was hoping for the Celtics to reach the Finals given the Celtics glorious Finals history plus I wanted payback for the Celtics beating the Warriors in the Finals in 1964 and 1967! Perhaps the Warriors and Celtics will meet in the 2019 Finals!
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Town Heretic View Post
            Apparently a yellow card turned what had been a contest into a route in the second half, with a final score of 52 - 11. That's a beatdown.
            Not even close. The yellow card was in all likelihood an insignificant factor in the scoreline. The ABs switched on in the second 40 and their attack led to the infringement that put the player off for 10 minutes.

            France had been touted as having the best defense among the Six Nations sides, but — whether it was the loss of a few players, or travel, or tiredness — the Blackness rolled over them like a Waikato fog.

            Test 2 is this Saturday.

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            • #7
              People are talking about basketball. Is that a sport?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Stripe View Post
                People are talking about basketball. Is that a sport?
                It was, but now it's more like ballroom dancing.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Town Heretic View Post
                  Here's hoping James goes to Philly or Houston. Otherwise, I'm thinking next year might be the first time I miss an entire season. . . well, not exactly miss it.
                  It doesn't appear to be in James's nature to take difficult paths, and the Western Conference is a difficult path. I don't think we'll see him in Houston (or LA, for that matter) for that very reason.

                  My money, if I was a betting man, would be on Philly.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Mr. 5020 View Post
                    It doesn't appear to be in James's nature to take difficult paths, and the Western Conference is a difficult path. I don't think we'll see him in Houston (or LA, for that matter) for that very reason.

                    My money, if I was a betting man, would be on Philly.
                    Philly might even be the better team in terms of his natural contributions. I think Houston doesn't need him. They were undone by an injury and could get better in the offseason. GS won't be getting better.
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                    • #11
                      Wait

                      Mr. 5020!!??



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                      • #12
                        So I'm listening to Kevin Garnett put together his best starting five, all-time. And he manages to find spots for a few Celtics, but doesn't even mention Larry at the small forward. At the end he speaks to that, saying he knew some were wondering, but everyone on his team had to play defense and Larry didn't play defense.

                        This is part and parcel of the white men can't mentality that irks me. He's wrong. And there's no excuse for his not knowing that Bird, before his back went south, was on three all defensive NBA teams. And even when the back slowed him defensively he still managed more steals and only a marginally less effective blocking game than Kevin Durant has right now. But he's considered slow and not particularly athletic by a lot of misguided players and that's purely the same sort of nonsensical, race rooted mythology that had was used to disparage black qbs in the NFL once. Assume the context and go from there. Sheesh.
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                        • #13
                          A great day to be a Laker fan, as James is heading to LA for what appears to be the last leg of his career. The real question now, with only a certain Spur in the mix as far as top free agents are concerned, is whether he's traded one non-contender made contender by the sweat of his brow with another.
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                          • #14
                            As a Warrior fan I'm glad LeBron went to the Lakers. Now instead of losing to the Warriors in the NBA Finals Lebron will now lose in the 2nd round of the playoffs. LeBron will never appear in another NBA Finals again.
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                            What are you talking about? There is no such thing as the "Mafia"......it doesn't exist. Just a bunch of lies told to defame honest hardworking Italians like myself. - TomO

                            I will do you, let's see, goofy, wacky, and to the left side of the bell curve
                            . -Ktoyou

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by The Berean View Post
                              As a Warrior fan I'm glad LeBron went to the Lakers. Now instead of losing the Warriors in the NBA Finals Lebron will now lose in the 2nd round of the playoffs. LeBron will never appear in another NBA Finals again.
                              lol.

                              I'm wondering if David Price against NY, is like how Pedro struggled against the Yankees in 2003 and 2004. He still pitched great against everybody else, the Yankees just had his number, like how they seem to have Price's number now. The Sox still pulled it off finally in '04---in spite of Pedro being futile against the Bombers.

                              We'll see how NE plays this season. This feels like, for a variety of reasons, the first in a possibly multiyear story arc which is roughly 'how will Brady wind things down.' It's more important than GOAT arguments and SB rings, neither of which are worth getting into compared with how many more seasons Brady'll play, and how will he play during them??? Inquiring minds want to know. Patriots and Red Sox Nations.
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