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  • Originally posted by chrysostom View Post
    why Catholics are liberal
    A Crisis in the Church
    that you can't ignore. John Dearden. He started the USCCB and to run it he picked Joseph Bernardin who started the CCHD often called the "Catholic Campaign to Help Democrats". The liberals in the Democratic Party couldn't have been happier with them. That included Obama and ACORN. The message was clear. It was okay to vote for Democrats even thought they supported abortion. It was not the only issue and we were called to help the poor. Enter the "Seamless Garment". Bernardin's brainchild.

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    seamless garment
    A Crisis in the Church
    that you can't ignore. THE END OF THE BERNARDIN ERA but long live the CCHD and the "seamless garment". Abortion has been diminished by all the other issues associated with the Democratic Party. LGBT, same sex marriage, racism, immigration, climate change, etc. Is it modernism or just plain feminism? Feminists are in control of the Democratic Party and abortion is their sacred cow.

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    • What did you have for lunch today?

      Tried and waited then got tired, that's about it

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      • Originally posted by annabenedetti View Post
        What did you have for lunch today?
        beer with carrots, radishes, cauliflower, and spicy ranch as in habanero
        a voice crying in the wilderness :chrysost:

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        • Originally posted by chrysostom View Post
          beer with carrots, radishes, cauliflower, and spicy ranch as in habanero
          That sounds good. And colorful.

          Tried and waited then got tired, that's about it

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          • Originally posted by JudgeRightly View Post
            Do you support exceptions? If so, you're not pro-life. You're pro-choice with exceptions.
            Is endangerment of the life of the mother an exception or self-defense?
            You aren't what you eat, but you're always what you swallow.

            Pro-Life






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            • Originally posted by Town Heretic View Post
              Is endangerment of the life of the mother an exception or self-defense?

              Life of the Mother "Exception"
              An "exception" means a child intentionally killed. A physician should never postpone his efforts to save the mother in order to take time out to kill the child. If a doctor can only save the mother and not the child also, that is a tragedy, but it is not an intentional killing. Unintentional, unavoidable, and accidental death is not the same as intentional killing.

              The effort to abolish abortion, like a personhood amendment, provides for no exceptions. But what if a pregnancy threatens the life of the mother? The doctor's goal should be to save mom and the baby if possible. The goal should never be to kill the mother to save the baby, nor to kill the child to save the mother.

              Consider preeclampsia and ectopic pregnancy. In an ectopic pregnancy, often the baby tragically dies and sometimes, without proper medical care, so does the mother. But in many cases, both mom and baby have survived ectopic pregnancy (see below for more)! A mom on the verge of death from preeclampsia is saved by a doctor (not by an abortionist) who delivers the baby. The only way that doctor would thereby become an abortionist is if that doctor then performed an overt act to kill the baby. Removing the baby is not the same as killing the baby. Saving the mother often requires delivering the baby, but never killing the baby. That baby may not survive the premature delivery but the child's death must not be the intent of the medical intervention. For every good doctor follows the Hippocratic Oath to first, do no harm.

              Society's attempt to justify killing unborn children leads to absurdities like the "exception" for the life of the mother in the partial-birth abortion ban. For the PBA "procedure" is not designed to save the mother but only to kill the baby. And partial-birth abortions, which are the intentionally breech, i.e., feet-first, delivery and then killing of these babies, were not performed by surgeons generally but only by abortionists.

              Ultimately, abortionists use "exceptions" including incest and life only as an excuse to defend the slaughter of all unborn children for any reason. In reality, if the mother's life is threatened by her pregnancy, the doctor would deliver the baby through normal medical procedure but never stop midway to kill the baby. However, the very idea of delaying caring for and saving the mother long enough to take the time kill the baby is such an obvious cruelty and deception that it exposes the confusion in some, and the hardheartedness in others, who argue for such exceptions.


              Excerpt from https://americanrtl.org/life-of-the-mother-exception

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              • the investigation
                A Crisis in the Church
                that you can't ignore. The key to the McCarrick investigation may be Bernardin who was picked by Dearden. How did it happen? Who could have influenced John Paul? Who will be held responsible? McCarrick has more than one thing in common with Marcial Maciel, they were both great fundraisers. Follow the money.

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                • on the road
                  A Family Get Together
                  A necessary ingredient. Can be very pleasant when not talking politics. Don't let the bad interfere with the good. You can make that happen. Really.

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                  • Originally posted by chrysostom View Post
                    on the road
                    A Family Get Together
                    A necessary ingredient. Can be very pleasant when not talking politics. Don't let the bad interfere with the good. You can make that happen. Really.

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                    Safe travels and have a great trip, chrys.

                    Tried and waited then got tired, that's about it

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                    • if you are
                      A Liberal
                      this Jordan Peterson is the most dangerous man in the world. You can't let him speak. He will destroy you. You can't handle the words he uses. Individual, obligation, responsibility, suffering, etc. The way he puts them together will take you where you don't want to go. You have to stop him before he corrupts those who still have the ability to think. It may be too late. His book is everywhere.
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                      • And balance is once again restored in the universe!

                        Welcome back Chrys!

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                        • Originally posted by ok doser View Post
                          And balance is once again restored in the universe!

                          Welcome back Chrys!
                          Who?
                          Where is the evidence for a global flood?
                          E≈mc2
                          "the best maths don't need no stinkin' numbers"

                          "The waters under the 'expanse' were under the crust."
                          -Bob B.

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                          • Don't encourage him

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                            • Originally posted by ok doser View Post
                              Don't encourage him
                              All of my ancestors are human.
                              Originally posted by Squeaky
                              That explains why your an idiot.
                              Originally posted by God's Truth
                              Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
                              Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
                              (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

                              1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
                              (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

                              Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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                              • he may be
                                A Racist
                                or a misogynist or a homophobe if he doesn't agree with you. Jordan Peterson may just have arguments that you can't handle. Reason and logic are hard to deal with especially when backed up with empirical data. Maybe it is just the rules that you can't handle. Maybe it is just the consequences. Maybe the idea that you are responsible is too much to deal with. There is a way out. Take a look a yourself and see what you can do. It is a place to start.

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