ECT WHY THE VAIL ??

Interplanner

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Your "understanding" of "NT doctrine" is quite simply garbage.

Your completely nonsensical "if it's not repeated, it's cancelled" doctrine has led you to shear stupidity.


Your making "fulfilled in Christ" mean whatever you want will not fool those that understand what ALL of scripture it teaching.

God promised Israel that they would have a King to sit on a throne in Jerusalem. Your fairy story will not change that.





So you don't accept what Peter said about that throne in 2:30-31 which is quite clearly that he saw it take place in Christ. It is no fairy tale. It is the same magnificent truth announced in EPh 1, where it is 8x in the first 14 verses.
 

Wick Stick

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Why the veil?

The Israelites were afraid of God. So, they built a box to keep Him in, and hung sheets in front of His throne.
 

Nang

TOL Subscriber
Why the veil?

The Israelites were afraid of God. So, they built a box to keep Him in, and hung sheets in front of His throne.

No, God ordained the veil to establish holy separation between His Holy Presence from the profane.

Just as He ordained the flaming sword to guard the tree of life from sinful mankind after the fall of Adam. Genesis 3:24
 

Wick Stick

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No, God ordained the veil to establish holy separation between His Holy Presence from the profane.

Just as He ordained the flaming sword to guard the tree of life from sinful mankind after the fall of Adam. Genesis 3:24
Tell you what... you go with the literal meaning, and I'll go with the message that is conveyed apocalyptically by those words.

See you on the other side...
 

Right Divider

Body part
So you don't accept what Peter said about that throne in 2:30-31 which is quite clearly that he saw it take place in Christ. It is no fairy tale. It is the same magnificent truth announced in EPh 1, where it is 8x in the first 14 verses.
Act 2 says NOTHING of a CANCELLATION of the kingdom on earth. And your understanding of Ephesians is zero.
 

DAN P

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No, God ordained the veil to establish holy separation between His Holy Presence from the profane.

Just as He ordained the flaming sword to guard the tree of life from sinful mankind after the fall of Adam. Genesis 3:24


Hi and no comment on 2 Cor 3:13-16 ??

I wonder why , NOT ??

The view of Calvinism and Preterism is very narrow with no standing , whatsoever !!

How will a Calvinist explain 2 Cor 3:13-16 ??

dan p
 

Nang

TOL Subscriber
Hi and no comment on 2 Cor 3:13-16 ??

I wonder why , NOT ??

The view of Calvinism and Preterism is very narrow with no standing , whatsoever !!

How will a Calvinist explain 2 Cor 3:13-16 ??

dan p

God determines who will remain blind, and who will see.

It is His sovereign call.

Only His power can remove the veil of spiritual blindness from the eyes of unbelievers.

Only His Holy Spirit can impart trust in Jesus Christ and genuine repentance from sin.
 

heir

TOL Subscriber
God determines who will remain blind, and who will see.
Romans 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Romans 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Romans 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

...

1 Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

1 Timothy 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

What's a reformist to do? Drop your philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ and believe what the word of God actually says. The righteousness of God is unto all and upon all them that believe as it is God's will for all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth!

Your limiting the atonement that took place for the world (2 Corinthians 5:19 KJV) is a rejection of the word of God (not to mention a refusal to 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV) and makes you an enemy of the cross! This is why there are no niceties to be exchanged with the likes of people like you.
 

Nang

TOL Subscriber
Romans 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Romans 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Romans 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

...

1 Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

1 Timothy 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

What's a reformist to do? Drop your philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Chrisoooot and believe what the word of God actually says. The righteousness of God is unto all and upon all them that believe as it is God's will for all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth!

Your limiting the atonement that took place for the world (2 Corinthians 5:19 KJV) is a rejection of the word of God (not to mention a refusal to 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV) and makes you an enemy of the cross! This is why there are no niceties to be exchanged with the likes of people like you.

I would be interested to know how you explain using II Corinthians 5:19 in a universalistic sense, considering the full context and purpose of Paul's epistle, including his warnings in II Corinthians 6:14-16.

Without a doubt, Paul does not universally include all men as being saved in Christ, which belies the notion that all men are reconciled to God or all men were justified unto righteousness by the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

IOW's anyone can quote isolated verses, and claim they teach all kinds of things, by interpreting them out of context. Such is improper hermeneutics; only used by those who do not consider ALL of scripture to found their beliefs.

The righteous souls that are reconciled and saved in Christ, ALL believe unto everlasting life, only because God in His grace has gifted them with faith to believe, and granted them repentance. This is the Gospel that is reiterated throughout the entire bible. These are God's people, as Paul assures the church in II Corinthians 6:16-18.

And please note, within the context of the very same epistle, Pauls's warning in II Corinthians 11:12-15. If Christ's atonement reconciled all men unto God, why this warning to the Christians? How do you answer these things?

By claiming the free will of sinners has the power and capacity to undo Christ's work on the cross?

I don't think so, and would be interested in how you could possibly argue it . . .
 

Nang

TOL Subscriber
Nope. God is reconciled to man, yet the order is made "Be ye reconciled to God".
Two parties involved.

Where does scripture ever say God is reconciled to man? It only says men are reconciled to God, and not universally or there would be no men lost without pardon.
 

DAN P

Well-known member
God determines who will remain blind, and who will see.

It is His sovereign call.

Only His power can remove the veil of spiritual blindness from the eyes of unbelievers.

Only His Holy Spirit can impart trust in Jesus Christ and genuine repentance from sin.


Hi and you do believe in 2 Cor 3:16 , so how then are Jews being SAVED today ??

dan p
 

Nang

TOL Subscriber
Hi and you do believe in 2 Cor 3:16 , so how then are Jews being SAVED today ??

dan p

Jews are saved today, the same way Gentiles are saved today.

They are regenerated to new spiritual life through the resurrection power of the Holy Spirit, who gives them new hearts with which to exercise faith in the righteousness of Jesus Christ; new minds to repent from sin; new eyes and ears to hear and comprehend the Gospel. John 3:1-16; II Corinthians 3:17-18
 

DAN P

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Jews are saved today, the same way Gentiles are saved today.

They are regenerated to new spiritual life through the resurrection power of the Holy Spirit, who gives them new hearts with which to exercise faith in the righteousness of Jesus Christ; new minds to repent from sin; new eyes and ears to hear and comprehend the Gospel. John 3:1-16; II Corinthians 3:17-18



Hi and how are GENTILES saved today ??

There are verses on how we are saved and 1 Tim 1:16 says there is a PATTERN , so what is the pattern of verses on salvation ??

dan p
 

Interplanner

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DanP you are looking for the human technique involved. There is no such thing. God justifies a person--a sinner--through Jesus Christ. Period.
 
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