Why Homosexuality Must NOT Be Criminalized

glassjester

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You'd have to have homosexual attraction in the first place before you could act out on any such desire or be addicted to it. If you're straight that ain't gonna happen. So where does this 'homosexuality being punishment' make any sorta sense?

Paul didn't say a simple desire was a punishment.

If there was anything that could be viewed as a punishment in that passage from Romans, it was the depraved mind. That came as a result of habitually giving in to unnatural desires.
 

Angel4Truth

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2 Peter 2:17 These people are springs without water and mists driven by a storm. Blackest darkness is reserved for them. 18 For they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of the flesh, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error. 19 They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity—for “people are slaves to whatever has mastered them.” 20 If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and are overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. 21 It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. 22 Of them the proverbs are true: “A dog returns to its vomit,”[g] and, “A sow that is washed returns to her wallowing in the mud.”
 

Arthur Brain

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Its depraved, meaning because they refuse God completely, they get to wallow in filth, literally. Given over to it. You do know that the word translated as abomination in the verse from the ot about homosexuality, literally means "pollution" right?

Desiring where waste is eliminated, is filth. Pollution.

Again, many a heterosexual engages in practices that would be frowned upon by many a fundamentalist, so where does homosexuality emanate from and again, how is it a punishment as straight people can't choose to become gay.

:AMR:
 

Angel4Truth

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Again, many a heterosexual engages in practices that would be frowned upon by many a fundamentalist, so where does homosexuality emanate from and again, how is it a punishment as straight people can't choose to become gay.

:AMR:

yes, sin is a choice, even though you dont want it to be.
 

Arthur Brain

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Paul didn't say a simple desire was a punishment.

If there was anything that could be viewed as a punishment in that passage from Romans, it was the depraved mind. That came as a result of habitually giving in to unnatural desires.

Well, you ain't gonna act on a desire that isn't there in the first place are you? You'd have to be attracted to your own gender before any such 'abomination' could even happen. So if homosexuality is a "punishment" then that attraction is one that's imposed.
 

glassjester

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Well, you ain't gonna act on a desire that isn't there in the first place are you?

Yes. I agree.


You'd have to be attracted to your own gender before any such 'abomination' could even happen. So if homosexuality is a "punishment" then that attraction is one that's imposed.

Huh???

I don't understand. How was the attraction imposed?
Or... is every attraction imposed?

But even if it is, are we to go around acting on every desire we have?
 

ok doser

lifeguard at the cement pond
If you're straight then homosexual attraction is not an option. Are you arguing otherwise?

if you're honest, then lying and stealing is not an option.

if you're virtuous, then being promiscuous and engaging in adultery is not an option


and yet we see honest and virtuous people failing all the time
 

glassjester

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if you're honest, then lying and stealing is not an option.

if you're virtuous, then being promiscuous and engaging in adultery is not an option


and yet we see honest and virtuous people failing all the time

And the more you lie and steal, the easier it becomes. Until you don't feel bad about doing it at all. You don't give it a second though. You don't even consider it wrong.

At that point, you're "oriented" toward lying and stealing. It's your "orientation."
 

Arthur Brain

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if you're honest, then lying and stealing is not an option.

if you're virtuous, then being promiscuous and engaging in adultery is not an option


and yet we see honest and virtuous people failing all the time

And if you're straight then whether you're virtuous or promiscuous it won't impact on your desire/attraction for the opposite sex.

Wow, that was easy...
 

glassjester

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Um, well, you might be able to start "choosing" to like other women Angel. No waaaaaay could I entertain any sorta sexual intimacy with another bloke thanks.

It's funny how people still do things, even if we can't begin to understand why they would want to.
 

ok doser

lifeguard at the cement pond
Um, well, you might be able to start "choosing" to like other women Angel. No waaaaaay could I entertain any sorta sexual intimacy with another bloke thanks.


it's nice that you think so - it means you haven't totally given yourself over to depravity

good job! :thumb:
 
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