Why Homosexuality Must NOT Be Criminalized

[The Horn]

Gay people are NOT a threat to America, or to any country anywhere . Homophobic bigots are a threat to gay people . Therefore, we cannot and must not allow the U.S. government to
support, promote and foster homophobic bigotry .
The overwhelming majority of gays are NOT pedophiles, and the overwhelming majority of pedophiles are HETEROSEXUAL . Gays do not "recruit" young people into homosexuality because homosexuality has been scientifically proven to be inborn and not a "choice ". Homosexuality is not contagious .
To criminalize consensual sex between adults ,whether homo or heterosexual, is barbaric .
The government, the law, the courts and the police have absolutely no business prying into people'
s bedrooms .
Conditions like this exist in middle eastern countries which are currently Islamic theocracies ,and America cannot and must not become like these benighted nations . Gay people are routinely executed with barbaric cruelty there , and the government literally IS in people's bedrooms .
Using the Bible as an excuse to advocate criminalizing homosexuality is not only barbaric but idiotic . The Old Testament supposedly condemns homosexuality and calls for gay people to be executed, but it also calls for people who work on the Sabbath to be executed , and calls eating pork and shellfish an "abomination", among other things .
The Old Testament was written thousands of years ago, when mankind was ruled by total ignorance and blind superstition . This is the 21st century , the digital age, not the bronze age .
If you are opposed to gay rights, well that is too bad . Deal with it and get over it !

 

[Greg Jennings]

Do that many people here actually support criminalization of gayness? I know aCW does, but I was under the impression that was a minority opinion

 

[The Horn]

This guy gets an awful lot of responses, though , and too many right-wing extremists in America do want the government to persecute gay people .

 

[Catholic Crusader]

Do that many people here actually support criminalization of gayness?.......

No. That guy is a psychopath and I'm as rightwing as they get. Same-sex attraction is a mental disorder and you don't put people with disorders in jail. That's insane.

This guy gets an awful lot of responses, though , and too many right-wing extremists in America do want the government to persecute gay people .

Ignoramus.

 

[Catholic Crusader]

Gay people are NOT a threat to America, or to any country anywhere . Homophobic bigots are a threat to gay people......

Now you see Gorn? You were <<<<<<THIS>>>>> close to actually starting a good thread, then you screwed it up with that second sentence.

You're right, people who suffer from the disorder of same-sex attraction should NOT be criminalized, just like nobody who suffers from any malady should be criminalized.

But then you had to dive straight in to all that "homophobe" leftwing crap and mess the whole thread up. You just can't seem to post one intelligent post can you.

I KNOW that homosexuals suffer from a disorder and thathomosexual sex is a perversion. What I also know is that we are ALL disordered due to Original Sin. Some folks over-eat, others are drunkards, others obsess on various things like gambling or sexor porn or whatever.

But here is the major screw upofhomosexuals and of peoplelikeyou: While people who suffer those other problems know deep down inside that something is wrong, homosexuals have been taught they are normal, thanks to pinhead like you. And because of that our children are now being taught to accept it, and THAT is the threat to America by way of being a threat to children.

I think it should be deemed shameful but not illegal. Christianity dictates that it's a sin and therefore it's contrary to what God had in mind for his creation. Jesus died for these people (and all people) so they can live not so they can be persecuted.

Good point.

 

[Arthur Brain]

Well, kind of a moot thread in certain respects as it's not going to be re-criminalized anyway and shouldn't have been a criminal offence to start with. aCW's thread only keeps going cos he keeps propping the damn thing up himself. Of course you're likely going to get stuff like people "choose" it and they can be "cured" probably but hey ho.

 

[Clete]

Gay people are NOT a threat to America, or to any country anywhere . Homophobic bigots are a threat to gay people . Therefore, we cannot and must not allow the U.S. government to
support, promote and foster homophobic bigotry .
The overwhelming majority of gays are NOT pedophiles, and the overwhelming majority of pedophiles are HETEROSEXUAL . Gays do not "recruit" young people into homosexuality because homosexuality has been scientifically proven to be inborn and not a "choice ". Homosexuality is not contagious .
To criminalize consensual sex between adults ,whether homo or heterosexual, is barbaric .
The government, the law, the courts and the police have absolutely no business prying into people'
s bedrooms .
Conditions like this exist in middle eastern countries which are currently Islamic theocracies ,and America cannot and must not become like these benighted nations . Gay people are routinely executed with barbaric cruelty there , and the government literally IS in people's bedrooms .
Using the Bible as an excuse to advocate criminalizing homosexuality is not only barbaric but idiotic . The Old Testament supposedly condemns homosexuality and calls for gay people to be executed, but it also calls for people who work on the Sabbath to be executed , and calls eating pork and shellfish an "abomination", among other things .
The Old Testament was written thousands of years ago, when mankind was ruled by total ignorance and blind superstition . This is the 21st century , the digital age, not the bronze age .
If you are opposed to gay rights, well that is too bad . Deal with it and get over it !

Are you an atheist?

 

[Clete]

No. That guy is a psychopath and I'm as rightwing as they get. Same-sex attraction is a mental disorder and you don't put people with disorders in jail. That's insane.

How about people who are sexually attracted to 7-year-olds or to farm animals?

 

[Arthur Brain]

How about people who are sexually attracted to 7-year-olds or to farm animals?

What about them? There's already laws to protect minors and animals from sexual abuse. What two consenting adults do is nobody else's business. Besides which, aren't you one of those who think homosexuals should be executed?

 

[Catholic Crusader]

How about people who are sexually attracted to 7-year-olds or to farm animals?

What about them? There's already laws to protect minors and animals from sexual abuse.........

Amazingly, that's what I was going to say. What about them.

 

[Clete]

What about them? There's already laws to protect minors and animals from sexual abuse. What two consenting adults do is nobody else's business. Besides which, aren't you one of those who think homosexuals should be executed?

Just answer the question! Jeeze Louise! Why are you people so unwaveringly afraid of your own logic! I mean every single time you pervert defenders are confronted with the thoughts that your own brain produced two moments before, you freeze up like a pimple-faced nerd confronted with asking a blue-eyed cheerleader to the prom.


Since you're too slow to follow YOUR OWN reasoning, let me spell it out for you.



Should people who are sexually attracted to children and farm animals be jailed?

OR

By your own line of reasoning, is it wrong to jail people for what is undeniably a mental disorder?

 

[Arthur Brain]

Just answer the question! Jeeze Louise! Why are you people so unwaveringly afraid of your own logic! I mean every single time you pervert defenders are confronted with the thoughts that your own brain produced two moments before, you freeze up like a pimple-faced nerd confronted with asking a blue-eyed cheerleader to the prom.


Since you're too slow to follow YOUR OWN reasoning, let me spell it out for you.



Should people who are sexually attracted to children and farm animals be jailed?

OR

By your own line of reasoning, is it wrong to jail people for what is undeniably a mental disorder?

If you weren't so busy having a self induced aneurysm you'd have noticed that I had in fact already answered the question, that being that there's laws in place to protect both minors and animals from sexual abuse. So do your own math on the score as to whether those guilty of such should be jailed. I say yes, if for no other reason as to protect the vulnerable.

Now if you want to claim that homosexuality itself is a 'mental disorder' then good luck with that as you'd need it, and just how many heterosexual practices would you deem unnatural by the same token? I'm guessing a fair few so are they all symptomatic of mental instability?

Oh, and I wasn't so 'slow' as to fail to notice you didn't answer my own question to you. Aren't you one of those who believe homosexuals should be executed?

If you can answer without the hysterics it would be cool.

:e4e:

 

[Clete]

If you weren't so busy having a self induced aneurysm you'd have noticed that I had in fact already answered the question, that being that there's laws in place to protect both minors and animals from sexual abuse.

Acknowledgement of a law's existence does not imply that one agrees with that law.

Which, of course, you knew when you wrote this.

So do your own math on the score as to whether those guilty of such should be jailed. I say yes, if for no other reason as to protect the vulnerable.

Then the reasoning you gave concerning homosexuals is not valid BY YOUR OWN REASONING!!!! (Well, actually it was nonon who posted it, you're simply defending the line of reasoning or else demonstrating your inability to follow the conversation.)

Now if you want to claim that homosexuality itself is a 'mental disorder' then good luck with that as you'd need it, and just how many heterosexual practices would you deem unnatural by the same token? I'm guessing a fair few so are they all symptomatic of mental instability?

I am not the one who made the claim that it was wrong to jail people on the basis of a mental disorder. That was nonon. I'm simply proving that such a line of reason cannot be rationally defended.

As you have now demonstrated.

 

[Arthur Brain]

Acknowledgement of a law's existence does not imply that one agrees with that law.

Which, of course, you knew when you wrote this.

Sure, so? I've spelled out for you what should have been obvious from my perspective anyway however.

Then the reasoning you gave concerning homosexuals is not valid BY YOUR OWN REASONING!!!! (Well, actually it was nonon who posted it, you're simply defending the line of reasoning or else demonstrating your inability to follow the conversation.)

It rather seems to be you who's a bit all over the place here. My positions pretty clear. Homosexuality is not a crime or a 'mental illness' and as such shouldn't be re-criminalized. You on the other hand are ducking out of questions I've asked you such as:

Don't you think homosexuals should be executed?

I am not the one who made the claim that it was wrong to jail people on the basis of a mental disorder. That was nonon. I'm simply proving that such a line of reason cannot be rationally defended.

As you have now demonstrated.

I don't consider it to be one anyway so maybe now you can answer the above, along with whether it should be criminal for heterosexuals to engage in certain sexual practices?

 

[Catholic Crusader]

.......Should people who are sexually attracted to children and farm animals be jailed?........

No. People who are sexually attracted to children should only be jailed if they commit the act, because that abhorrent act is what is against the law. As for animals, I'd say no, although the law might say otherwise.

Homosexual acts are not against the law. I believe they are perverted acts, but jerking your chain is a perverted act too from a Christian perspective, and no doubt you would be in jail for life if we made that illegal too.

 

[The Horn]

Clete, I'm an agnostic, not an atheist . But the whole question of gay rights has nothing to do with whether people believe in a god or not . Many Christians in America are for gay rights and support same sex marriage .

 

[Catholic Crusader]

........I'm an agnostic, not an atheist.......

"Clete, I'm dumb not dumber." - LOL

 

[ok doser]

... homosexuality has been scientifically proven to be inborn and not a "choice ". ...

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no

... every single time you pervert defenders are confronted with the thoughts that your own brain produced two moments before, you freeze up like a pimple-faced nerd confronted with asking a blue-eyed cheerleader to the prom.

:darwinsm:

:thumb:

 

[Clete]

Clete, I'm an agnostic, not an atheist . But the whole question of gay rights has nothing to do with whether people believe in a god or not.

I've never - ever - met anyone who claimed to be an agnostic who wasn't a functioning atheist. You're no exception.

Whether one believes in God has everything to do with whether you accept the authority of God's word, which undeniably teaches that homosexuality is not merely a sin but that it is an abomination and a crime. An actual agnostic would act and speak as if God's word might actually be just that. You speak as though you're wiser than God.

My advice is for you to drop the pretence. Just be the atheist we all know you are.

Many Christians in America are for gay rights and support same sex marriage .

Many people who call themselves Christians commit adultery, murder their spouses, do drugs, steal, and every other sort of evil thing you can imagine. The conduct of Christians is not the standard of morality you are implicitly claiming it to be.

The question comes down to whether you believe that God is just or not. You believe not.

Good luck with that on Judgement Day.

Resting in Him,
Clete

 

[Clete]

No. People who are sexually attracted to children should only be jailed if they commit the act, because that abhorrent act is what is against the law.

The scripture does not teach that it is a crime to be attracted to a member of the same sex, it is the abhorrent act that is against the law.

On what basis do you agree with God concerning the criminal nature of child molestation and disagree with Him on the criminal nature of homosexuality?

As for animals, I'd say no, although the law might say otherwise.

I wasn't asking for your personal opinion!

Do you actually believe that matters of morality are matters of opinion?

Do you read at all? There are reasons why bestiality is against the law. Good reasons. Really really good reasons.

Homosexual acts are not against the law.

So now American jurist prudence is your standard of right and wrong?!

I believe they are perverted acts,

Why?

but jerking your chain is a perverted act too from a Christian perspective,

Based on what?

and no doubt you would be in jail for life if we made that illegal too.

No one would ever be in jail for life if our laws were just.

Resting in Him,
Clete