I remember that song from so long ago.
Are you suggesting I should stay, (just a little bit longer)?
When does the biblical day begin?
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I remember that song from so long ago.
Are you suggesting I should stay, (just a little bit longer)?
1Mind1Spirit
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I remember that song from so long ago.
Are you suggesting I should stay, (just a little bit longer)?
Love yuh, bro.
Love yuh, bro.
Okay, here is some love back at ya bro:
First we must go back and revisit what is a yom. What is yom according to the scripture in the very beginning? In the beginning Elohim says, "Let there be light", (and there is light). What kind of light is this? Can it be the light of the sun? The greater and lesser lights are not even made until the fourth day of creation; and even at that the text does not use the words for sun and moon, (shemesh and yareach, Deuteronomy 4:19), but rather simply says the greater light and the lesser light. So even at that the fourth-day creation of the greater light and the lesser light must have multiple layers of meaning.
We are told what is the light in the beginning and that is the light of the truth, (John 1:1-9). Thus the statement "Let there be light", (and there was light), is tantamount to "Let there be truth", (and there was truth), for whenever Elohim speaks He only speaks truth: and these are the first words recorded as spoken by Elohim in the scripture. And what does Elohim call the light which is the truth that He spoke? He calls the light, "yom", (Gen 1:5a).
Light = Truth = Yom
Yom = the light of the truth which lights every human being coming into the world, (John 1:9).
Hear, O Israel, (
), this has nothing to do with twenty-four hour days as reckoned in the modern western mindset: especially when in the Hebrew mindset a full day is not twenty-four hours but rather twelve.It remains our book. Not yours. You aren't us.
I hear this quite a bit, and no doubt you can rightfully say such a thing; but only concerning the Masorete Hebrew text, (and you can have it, lol, for it is not inspired and was never claimed to be inspired as far as I know). However the basic Hebrew text does not belong to any man or group of men, no matter who or what they call themselves: for the Word belongs to the Most High, for the words contained therein are His Word.
Day of atonement for instance is not a tradition of the Jews but of Israel...
Did you want to discuss when it began?
Was it begun at the going down of the sun at evening the 8th into the beginning of the 9th...or the ending of the 9th at evening into the 10th like every other day...as claimed?
Or at noon on the 9th as some count evening at noon...?
How long is the time frame of your affliction?
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The "antisemitism" of the New Testament is well known but often ignored is the testimony/warning of the OT of their unfaithfulness...and conspiracy to destroy Israel...with their man made traditions...
including their over-taxing Israel to worship in Jerusalem leading to civil war...
Okay, here is some love back at ya bro:
First we must go back and revisit what is a yom. What is yom according to the scripture in the very beginning? In the beginning Elohim says, "Let there be light", (and there is light). What kind of light is this? Can it be the light of the sun? The greater and lesser lights are not even made until the fourth day of creation; and even at that the text does not use the words for sun and moon, (shemesh and yareach, Deuteronomy 4:19), but rather simply says the greater light and the lesser light. So even at that the fourth-day creation of the greater light and the lesser light must have multiple layers of meaning.
We are told what is the light in the beginning and that is the light of the truth, (John 1:1-9). Thus the statement "Let there be light", (and there was light), is tantamount to "Let there be truth", (and there was truth), for whenever Elohim speaks He only speaks truth: and these are the first words recorded as spoken by Elohim in the scripture. And what does Elohim call the light which is the truth that He spoke? He calls the light, "yom", (Gen 1:5a).
Light = Truth = Yom
Yom = the light of the truth which lights every human being coming into the world, (John 1:9).
Hear, O Israel, (
Were the sun and moon and stars made created or appointed "employed" on the fourth day?
Interesting too that the cadence and timing of day and night was established prior this...
If He is that light then He "blinks" to a frequency continued by the day night sequence...
Oh my...
A similar argument Rome uses...for the same intent to establish its authority...
Regret triggering this attitude...I've read what pharisees do to those who correct them...
Who made Kimah and Kesil? Who turns the darkness into the morning and darkens the day into the night? Who calls for the waters of the sea and pours them out upon the face of the earth? Yah the Elohei Tzabaoth is his name. And the seven of Kimah are likened to the eyes of the Father which are always upon His Land, seven holy messengers who watch, from the beginning of the year even unto the end of the year: those seven therefore do never "blink" nor sleep, (though their lights are differing). See? Multiple layers of meaning.
Zeke
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The infinite has no beginning, only stories in time which the bible represents, one of many allegories with a beginning and ending like birth and death, night and day, times maze is where types and shadows cast by the infinite dance in the figure 8 of rebirth/renewal in the maze of divine amnesia Ecclesiastes 1:9, no time to waste better get busy debating the dream.
Ok so...we gonna talk about the day of atonement or not?
For me the 9th starts in the morning...come evening when the sun sets you begin your affliction on the 9th at even into night until the morning of the 10th and to its evening...the 10th is also a sabbath day of rest...from work...understood as work done during the daylight...
So again why would 9th of evening be necessarily stated/counted if all days would end and start in the evening? How much affliction on the 9th is there for you? Starting at noon on the 9th? Or do you begin as the sun sets?
Wick Stick
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Oh, you know my genealogy now? Are you quite sure?
I doubt you even know your own genealogy. Even from the Exodus, half or more of those who identified as Jacob... were actually Esau. How sure are you of your parentage, ben~Edom?
..what text was inspired?
Touché, I am not going to try to point out one that was, for it is not all written in one place anymore except in the heavenly tablets.
Jerry Shugart
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No, they are not difficult. And yes, the Scriptures reveal that there are two distinct and separate feasts, one being the "Passover" and the other being the "Feast of Unleavened Bread" (see Leviticus 23:5-6).
The Passover was observed on the 14th as a memorial to the night when the blood stained houses were passed over (Ex.12:13-14) and the Feast of Unleavened Bread was a memorial to the day when the children of Israel left Egypt (Ex.16:17).
Therefore, the Passover was not observed on the 15th because that day was reserved for the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, a memorial to the day when the Israelites left Egypt.
In Exodus 13:6 the seventh day of Unleavened Bread is also called a feast:
Exodus 13:6
6 Seven days you shall eat unleavened bread: and in the seventh day, [is] a feast to the LORD.
What is this seventh day feast called in the New Testament?
Whatever it is called...it starts in the morning...after the evening and the morning—the sixth day...
The tomb was discovered already empty in the early morning of the first day after the Sabbath...
this day is first fruits...the unleavened bread count continues the rest of the week...and then there was evening and then morning-the day numbered...