Oh I know...
Christendom replaced passover with it...
You never had communion? "This do" you dont I guess...
When does the biblical day begin?
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Oh I know...
Christendom replaced passover with it...
You never had communion? "This do" you dont I guess...
The point is your version is that the crucifixion is on Wednesday, mine is on Thursday. Any difference in terms of Passover? To me, there's no significant difference whether it's on Wednesday or Thursday in terms of Passover.
In fact you are rejecting the Bible as the Bible said that it's on the third day He's resurrected.
Jesus was entombed as Thursday began. Friday is one day of burial. Saturday is the second day of burial.
Jesus was raised as Sunday began, the third day of burial.
Three days: Thursday, Friday, Saturday.
Three nights: Thursday night, Friday night, Saturday night.
Your calculation here is to insist on that He's entombed on Thursday but died on Wednesday. However, "on the third day" means on the third day after He's crucified, disregarding when He's entombed! That's where your version is against the Bible.
Matthew 20:19 (KJV)
And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again.
Stay with scripture...
Come Sunday morning the tomb was already empty He was risen...the day before
"Now when He rose early on the first day of the week..." (Mark 16:9)
Early on the first day of the week.
A 24-hour day begins at sunset of the previous day.
The scripture doesn't say midday of a 24-hour day.
The scripture says early.
Let's say for the sake of discussion that Jesus died on the preparation day.
"Therefore, because it was the Preparation Day, that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day)..." (John 19:31)
"On the next day, which followed the Day of Preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees gathered together to Pilate, saying, 'Sir, we remember while He was still alive how that deceiver said, ‘After three days I will rise.’ Therefore command that the tomb be made secure until the third day lest His disciples come by night and steal Him away and say to the people, ‘He has risen from the dead.’ So the last deception will be worse than the first." (Matthew 27:62-64)
The tomb was sealed and guarded for three days, (Friday, Saturday, Sunday)
"Pilate said to them, 'You have a guard; go your way, make it as secure as you know how.' So they went and made the tomb secure, sealing the stone and setting the guard." (Matthew 27:65-66)
"Now when He rose, early on the first day of the week He appeared"...
recall the greek did not have punctuation so your belief will determine the phrasing...just like "I say to you today you will be in paradise" where you place the comma matters
Recall too the original manuscripts ended Mark at verse 8...
Recall too that the other gospels had the tomb already empty Sunday morning...but now you want Mark to say something different?
Early the tomb was discovered empty...early He appeared...not rose...
Jonah was NOT dead but enclosed...in the heart of the world Jerusalem
"Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death, 19 And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again."
There is the three days...He was not dead but confined as Jonah was but without the seaweed on His head...Jonah 2:5
day one starts when He was betrayed by Judas to the chief priests to be condemned to die delivered to the Gentiles mocked scourged crucified....rose the third day on the Sabbath...and then He appeared early on the next day of first fruits following the Sabbath...
It's obviously over your head. :carryon:
Nope but since you claim
"A 24-hour day begins at sunset of the previous day.
The scripture doesn't say midday of a 24-hour day.
The scripture says early."
So in this case if your 24 hour day begins at sunset the previous day...then He appeared in the dark as early is the beginning of the night time portion of the day...
Now we have further conflict and confusion...thanks
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genuineoriginal
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Yes, and so does Tishri 10, the DAY of atonement.
Your mistake seems to come from these verses:
Leviticus 23:26-32 26 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, 27 Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord. 28 And ye shall do no work in that same day: for it is a day of atonement, to make an atonement for you before the Lord your God. 29 For whatsoever soul it be that shall not be afflicted in that same day, he shall be cut off from among his people. 30 And whatsoever soul it be that doeth any work in that same day, the same soul will I destroy from among his people. 31 Ye shall do no manner of work: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings. 32 It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath. |
The Lord stated that the resting and affliction for the 10th daylight period of the 7th month would be started at the end of the 9th daylight period of the 7th month.
God called the time of daylight "Day"
God called the time of darkness between times of daylight "Night"
Genesis 1:3-5 3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. |
Nothing in Leviticus 23:32 changes the fact that God declared that Day is the time of light and Night is the time of darkness.
genuineoriginal
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There is no 24 hour day, only a 12 hour day.
John 11:9 9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world. |
Sunset is the end of one day, dawn is the beginning of another day.
Night is only the time of darkness between days.
genuineoriginal
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It is not obvious if you believe God and accept that He declared the light to be Day.
It is not obvious if you believe Jesus and accept that there are twelve hours in a Day.
Yup...
It is not obvious if you understand the Light was created FIRST then called day...and then it finally became evening...and the night portion ended at morning completing that 24hour day and it was numbered--the first day
It is not obvious if you understand the thank offerings are eaten THE SAME DAY it is offered/killed none of it being left until the morning...which is obviously the next day
There is a huge amount of confusion here. One must be extremely careful when interpreting the texts.
"Day" often mean "daytime.
"Tomorrow" often means "the next daytime"
What is really of interest is how the Jews counted their days- specifically the holidays. That has been from evening to evening, starting from Biblical times, and continuing to this day. Unless there is some rock-solid evidence that we have changed our custom at some point in history, one should assume that the Jewish tradition hasn't changed.
"Day" often mean "daytime.
"Tomorrow" often means "the next daytime"
What is really of interest is how the Jews counted their days- specifically the holidays. That has been from evening to evening, starting from Biblical times, and continuing to this day. Unless there is some rock-solid evidence that we have changed our custom at some point in history, one should assume that the Jewish tradition hasn't changed.
WatchmanOnTheWall
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Genesis 1
1In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters,3And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.
In the beginning = Time began
Darkness was over the deep = It was Night
Let there be light = The day began
There was evening (night) and morning (day) = The first day.
It's very simple.
It’s even simpler than that.
The darkness before the light was not called night...it even rhymes...no night without light...
See? much easier than trying to force man’s tradition on it...