Now you are going down to personal attack when you cannot refute Jesus' word?
Unless You Believe That I Am "HE" (GOD) You Will Die In Your Sins, John 8:24
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Now you are going down to personal attack when you cannot refute Jesus' word?
KingdomRose
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Uh uh. Jewish Guy is correct! Jesus never said "unless you believe I am God".....Nowhere in that passage of Scripture is that even suggested!
Philippians 2:6 is a scripture that gets translated two different ways, so it cannot be used to prove anything. MANY versions now render that verse as "Being in the form of God [Spirit], never gave a consideration to being equal to God." Jesus wouldn't even ponder the idea. Look at the NIV, the NAB, and a load of others I can't remember right now because I'm at my son's house and don't have my library with me.
KingdomRose
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She can't, and apparently neither can you.
KingdomRose
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NOT AT ALL. The Jews knew he was saying that he was GOD'S SON. That is what they were angry about, because TO THEM he was placing himself on a higher level than a human being, and they were offended. It was THEIR words that "he made himself equal to God." Not his! He never said he was "I Am." NEVER. You have fallen for a pitiful ruse to try and show that Jesus is God. How foolish! HIS OWN WORDS BELY SUCH A THING, if you would bother to read them, and I have listed them numerous times.
You have twisted his words to such an extreme that I can hardly believe it. When he said that he could do only what the Father taught him to do and could speak only what the Father told him to speak, you say that he was doing what God would do because he is God. THAT'S NOT WHAT HE SAID.
Incredible. Just incredible.
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KingdomRose
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Have you not read my posts where I have drawn your attention to JOHN 17: 20-23?
What does that mean?
It says that Jesus' disciples could be "one" with God and Jesus.
Are they also God?
KingdomRose
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It's exactly why they were saying he claimed to be God....they were stiff-necked!! It was not true! He answered them to the contrary, if you would bother to read his replies.
KingdomRose
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I haven't answered because I'm at my son's place and my grandkids have thought of a lot of things for me to do, which I love.
I have gone into this before, but I'll do so again. Hebrews 1:8 & 9 is quoted from Psalm 45:6 & 7. The Psalms were written by A Jew and translated into English by Jews in the Jewish Publication Society's Tanakh. They never thought of King David as "God," and it apparently is about King David, to them. They wouldn't have written "your throne, O God" about David.
Now, Paul has quoted this psalm in his letter to the Hebrews. The Tanakh renders Heb.1:8 as: "YOUR DIVINE THRONE is forever and ever." Is that saying that David is divine or that he is God? Would that translate into Jesus being God, since Paul is quoting it? NEITHER IS THE CASE. Obviously what the writer of the psalm meant was that the King's throne has a divine Source, and the authority for that throne is God. It could be said, "GOD IS YOUR THRONE," or, God is the Source of authority for your position as King.
This is the most probable and reasonable rendering of Hebrews 1:8. The grammar concerning the Greek language is something to be considered astutely. A very good explanation of this verse's translation can be found in the book Truth in Translation by Jason BeDuhn. He is not affiliated in any way with JWs.
Heb.1:8 should be read: "But about the Son, he says: 'God is your throne forever and ever.'" This is so obvious when we read the very next verse!
"You loved righteousness and you hated lawlessness. That is why GOD, YOUR GOD, anointed you with the oil of exultation more than your companions."
How can verse 8 mean that Jesus is God when the very next verse says that HE HAS A GOD?
KingdomRose
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No, my friend. You are spewing forth the old tired scriptures thAT HAVE BEEN EXPLAINED HERE ON THIS THREAD AND OTHERS, and it's pretty counterproductive to any kind of real discussion. Read my posts above---all of them---and then tell us the same crap you just posted, above.
But to the Son He says: "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever..." (Hebrews 1:8 NKJV)
If Jesus isn't God, then who was that, that turned water into wine, healed the sick, walked on water, stilled a storm, fed 5,000, raised the dead and ascended into heaven?
Psalm 45 was prophetic about the true King of Israel. God has given Jesus the throne of his forefather David.
He will be great and will be called the Son of the Highest, and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David. And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever and of His kingdom there will be no end. (Luke 1:32-33 NKJV)
Someone said the One who became flesh was with God and was God.
Therefore we may conclude that God can have a higher God.
6days
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Hmmmmm..... I don't think that God's Word is old and tired, nor is it crap. Nor do I think it needs your "explanations"... nor mine.
Is their any attribute of God the Father that God the Son does not have?
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Bradley D
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No not really. A standard comment for not wanting to answer the questions.
Where is it written that the Father was begotten as Messiah was, (Heb 5:5)?
Where is it written that the Father learned obedience and was perfected thereby, (Heb 5:8-9)?
beloved57
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Invalid comment again!
beloved57
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Faith is a work, a work of the law Matt 23:23 !
beloved57
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Can't get around it, Faith is a work of the law that ought to have been done !
beloved57
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Faith is a work of the law, an act that man does with the mind/heart ! That's a fact !
beloved57
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Rom 3:22 does not say that Faith is a work required to be saved, you are teaching salvation by works, a lie against the scripture!