I don't believe so. I'd say freedom, and true liberty, has more to do with a well-educated and wise people than anything else. Guns are incidental.
To say you can't have freedom without firearms cheapens freedom.
toldailytopic: If guns became illegal to own, would you comply?
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I don't believe so. I'd say freedom, and true liberty, has more to do with a well-educated and wise people than anything else. Guns are incidental.
To say you can't have freedom without firearms cheapens freedom.
lightbringer
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Both! But, no need in adding a religion unless you some how believe that non-Christians do not wish to be free!
Those that cherish freedom will fight for it, plain and simple!
The scary part is, for those that had freedom for so long, do not recognize the loss of it, little by little, the passage of laws encroaching upon the very freedoms that the people believed were once inalienable to us all is changing.
There are people who think they have conversations with their televisions, but they don't tend to run anything...
About the same as a rifle would be against a tank. :chuckle: You should understand that I think anyone who keeps a gun because he believes it can protect him against his government is in need of a meds adjustment.
I keep my guns to hunt and on the odd chance that I need to deal with someone who doesn't respect my property rights and that's the end of reasonable usage and expectation.
Trumpetfolker
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Town Heretic,
The first half of that was a good enough answer.
The first half of that was a good enough answer.
There was a recent double homicide here in Las Vegas.
A 38 year old mother, Yadira Martinez, and her 10-year-old daughter, Karla Martinez, were found dead inside their home.
The police found out because Karla's 9 year old brother went to school and told his teacher that his mother and sister were dead at home.
Yesterday, police confirmed that the 10 year old was raped before being killed by blunt force trauma.
The mother's husband was also found in the home, alive, in critical condition, in a pool of blood.
An unharmed 4 year old boy was found by police next to the bodies.
I do not know if the husband had a gun. If he did, the outcome of this tragedy may or may not have been different. It is impossible to say.
I do know, however, that it is for this reason, among many, that I keep handguns in my home.
If it is within my power to do so, I will protect my family at all costs.
A 38 year old mother, Yadira Martinez, and her 10-year-old daughter, Karla Martinez, were found dead inside their home.
The police found out because Karla's 9 year old brother went to school and told his teacher that his mother and sister were dead at home.
Yesterday, police confirmed that the 10 year old was raped before being killed by blunt force trauma.
The mother's husband was also found in the home, alive, in critical condition, in a pool of blood.
An unharmed 4 year old boy was found by police next to the bodies.
I do not know if the husband had a gun. If he did, the outcome of this tragedy may or may not have been different. It is impossible to say.
I do know, however, that it is for this reason, among many, that I keep handguns in my home.
If it is within my power to do so, I will protect my family at all costs.
lightbringer
TOL Subscriber
:rotfl: No sir I sure don't!:rotfl:
Look at how many non-Christians are slaves to sin and defend the Godless state. Christians made this country great, we need to rely on them to return it to it's greatness.
"It is easy to take liberty for granted, when you have never had it taken from you." ~Author unknown, sometimes attributed to M. Grundler
lightbringer
TOL Subscriber
Ye without sin, cast the first stone?
Defend a Godless state? Or perhaps have no means to over throw and unjust state!
Still an ongoing debate?
If you truly believe that America is a Christian nation, then Christians have allowed it to become otherwise?
I for one hope that all freedom loving Americans will protect their rights against enemies foreign and domestic!
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iH82BdatHERETIC...
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My favourite quote on this matter is by Jefferson. Guess which one we have today?
"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."
It is not necessary for the public to be disarmed. It is only necessary that the Government have superior artillery and fire-power that is prohibited to the people. So one of my many objectives in life is to invent weapons technology for trustworthy people and prohibit it to the Government.
Hmmm...Knight, (if they don't already know) if the FBI demanded the information of a particular poster on TOL, would you comply?
"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."
It is not necessary for the public to be disarmed. It is only necessary that the Government have superior artillery and fire-power that is prohibited to the people. So one of my many objectives in life is to invent weapons technology for trustworthy people and prohibit it to the Government.
Hmmm...Knight, (if they don't already know) if the FBI demanded the information of a particular poster on TOL, would you comply?
Lack of firearms is the key to repression and submission.
eameece
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Most people with any sense would have anything to worry about, since they don't have one.
If guns became illegal to own, would you comply?
Sure. I'm an officer of the court and a law abiding citizen...who's great with a compound bow.
Ted Nugent
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That is not at all Nick's point, you imbecile. His point is that God is not against bearing arms.:dunce::duh:
:doh:
And this is just further proof of your stupidity. :sozo:
What? You really are an idiot!:jawdrop:
You really are just such a moron. Just because one owns weapons does not mean they live by those weapons. When Jesus said that about living and dying by the sword He was referring to misuse of the sword. And it is those who misuse weapons against whom we must defend ourselves; that is why we should be armed. When someone comes at you with a weapon and you're innocent it's either be armed or be dead.
Insipid twit.
It's close, though. It estimated that around half of all american households have firearms present.
Trumpetfolker
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Lighthouse,
In fact, He is the one who ordained the powers to carry swords.
However, God is against people opposing His ordained powers.
Only an imbecile can say that God tells us to submit so we can disobey.
Only an imbecile/moron/idiot would try to see any of my response outside of the context of the thread in which it resides.
Only if a response does not relate to the topic at all should you try to look for a new context.
A commandment is a statement issued by a lord which has an imperative quality. The disciples called Jesus "Lord".
No, God's not against owning guns. Neither am I. Even an imbecile can see that if God was against owning guns, He wouldn't not have told His Son to tell the disciples to get a sword.
In fact, He is the one who ordained the powers to carry swords.
However, God is against people opposing His ordained powers.
Do you believe faith can disobey God? God says to submit to His ordained powers. If they want your guns, God says submit.
Only an imbecile can say that God tells us to submit so we can disobey.
You are right that gun ownership, alone, does not make a man one who lives by the sword. However, in the context of this thread, it would make him an outlaw. As an outlaw, he has become one who is against the God-rdained authority.
Only an imbecile/moron/idiot would try to see any of my response outside of the context of the thread in which it resides.
Only if a response does not relate to the topic at all should you try to look for a new context.
Maybe you have a hard time with KJ English. If so, maybe seeing all those words together will give you a chance to catch a clue.
The fact is, it was absolutely a commandment. If they had not taken a sword, Jesus could not have been counted among unbelievers, and the prophecy would have gone unfulfilled.
A commandment is a statement issued by a lord which has an imperative quality. The disciples called Jesus "Lord".
You might want to fix that so I can be sure what you mean.
Relevance?
No He doesn't, you simpering twit!:doh:
If the authorities go against God's wishes they are not acting within the delegation God has bestowed upon rulers of men. And in such cases we are certainly to obey God over man.
But Peter and the other apostles answered and said: “We ought to obey God rather than men.”
-Acts 5:29
The people in authority are not the ordained authority; the ordained authority is the authority God has delegated to rulers of men. And when rulers of men disobey God and become a terror to good works then men of God should stand up for Him and His authority.
I know it's cliche, but there's a reason it is, you strike me as one who would have bowed to Hitler if you had been living in Germany during his tenure as Fuhrer.
No, you're a pinhead. I've already explained why and how above.
My first three years [ages: 5,6, & 7] in education were at a KJ only private Christian school. I understand it just fine. In fact I had no problem with Shakespeare when I got into high school because of it.
I'm seriously dumbfounded at just how stupid you are.
I'm also not surprised you haven't provided any Scripture to back this up.
Idiot.
Do you always just make things up, legion?