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It figures that you cannot understand.
You understand neither Christ's words during His ministry to the circumcision nor His words for the body of Christ through Paul.
The Order of Salvation
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God's Truth
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Same covenant gospel, just to different people at different times. Paul says Jews first then Gentiles.
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I talk about the new law. Jesus fulfilled the old law. Jesus tells us how to get in him and how to please him.
There is no new law. Jesus took the law of Moses and elevated and spiritualized it. This is what you think is a new law.
Paul said that the law has been abolished, Ephesians 2:15, but you don't believe Paul.
To be under any law is to be under condemnation and judgment. This is where you are at.
glorydaz
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Isaiah 42:21
The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.
The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.
glorydaz
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We were created with them in us (conscience).
glorydaz
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Yes, she'll show you her preferred translations. Those that say obey, but don't speak of the obedience of faith.
Romans 16:25-27KJV
Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith: To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen.
Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith: To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen.
Or the law of faith which excludes all her boasting in her obedience. :sigh:
Romans 3:26-28KJV
To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
Misleading and deception are her ways.
God's Truth
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Whenever you want me to, I will use whatever translation you want me to use.
Jesus is the Word of God, it means he is speaking what God says.
The obedience of faith is about living faith and having faith in all of God's words, so much so that you obey everything Jesus says.
It is not shameful to obey God.
Paul boasted in himself and others, and he tells us we can boast in him too and others.
The Jews used to boast in the ceremonial/purification works. That is what one cannot boast about anymore. Paul even says so.
I tell you the truth, Paul is speaking about not being justified by the purification works anymore because those things no longer clean us and justify anyone, only faith in Jesus' blood does that now.
It does not mean you don't have to obey God anymore, it means you don't have to get circumcised and offer animals to sacrifice.
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A light to who? A light to the GENTILES.
Isaiah 51:4
"Pay attention to Me, O My people, And give ear to Me, O My nation; For a law will go forth from Me, And I will set My justice for a light of the peoples.
Acts 13:47 For this is what the Lord has commanded us: "'I have made you a light for the Gentiles, that you may bring salvation to the ends of the earth.'"
The new law that Jesus came to teach.
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The new law that Jesus came to teach.
Jesus is the LIGHT and came to ALL.
Isaiah 42:6
"I am the LORD, I have called you in righteousness, I will also hold you by the hand and watch over you, And I will appoint you as a covenant to the people, As a light to the nations,
Isaiah 49:6
He says, "It is too small a thing that You should be My Servant To raise up the tribes of Jacob and to restore the preserved ones of Israel; I will also make You a light of the nations So that My salvation may reach to the end of the earth."
Luke 2:32
a light for revelation to the Gentiles, and for glory to Your people Israel."
Jesus is the LIGHT and came to ALL.
Isaiah 42:6
"I am the LORD, I have called you in righteousness, I will also hold you by the hand and watch over you, And I will appoint you as a covenant to the people, As a light to the nations,
Isaiah 49:6
He says, "It is too small a thing that You should be My Servant To raise up the tribes of Jacob and to restore the preserved ones of Israel; I will also make You a light of the nations So that My salvation may reach to the end of the earth."
Luke 2:32
a light for revelation to the Gentiles, and for glory to Your people Israel."
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Paul would not ever come and preach something else to the Gentiles.
The scriptures say that Jesus did for all.
The scriptures say that Jesus did for all.
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The old law is abolished. There is a New Testament/New Covenant.
1Mind1Spirit
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Yes, that too.
glorydaz
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KJV from this moment forward. :thumb:
He is God. How soon you forget. John 1:1
The obedience of faith is being begotten by the Gospel....saved by Grace through faith.
It is shameful to claim you obey God. His standards are too high for you to reach.
No, Paul said if he did boast, he'd have more to boast of than others...speaking of his obedience to the Jewish religion.
Nope, that is your misreading of Paul...which is actually a specialty of yours.
No, you tell the same old lie you always do. Paul is saying no such thing, because those purification works never justified anyone.
Here's the same drivel you've been preaching for years. It has nothing to do with the Gospel of Grace that the RISEN LORD revealed to Paul. Sadly, you don't know that our Lord and Saviour rose from the dead, and His own obedience is how God was able to offer us the free gift of eternal life.
You have perverted the Gospel message to such an extent that none would ever be saved if you had your way.
glorydaz
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Acts 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
If there could have been a law given that would have given life, then righteousness would have come by law.
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There is a new law given by Jesus. His words are Spirit and full of life.
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That scriptures proves what I said.
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Only to debate you.
Jesus is the Word of God it means he is speaking what God the Father says.
It is about having faith that Jesus’ blood cleans us once and for all and not the blood of animals, circumcision and a special diet.
You are not supposed to say that.
King James 2000 Bible
But the righteousness which is of faith speaks thus, Say not in your heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above
King James 2000 Bible
Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
King James 2000 Bible
But what says it? The word is near you, even in your mouth, and in your heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
8But what does it say? The word is near thee, even in thy mouth and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach,9that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus and shalt believe in thine heart that God has raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto saving health.11For the scripture says, Whosoever believes on him shall not be ashamed.
Those scriptures explain that you can obey and have to obey.
If you call Jesus ‘Lord’, you had better be obeying him.
Faith alone is dead and cannot save.
Paul said he would rather die than not boast in himself, in what he did while an apostle.
You are doing that.
They sure did.
I preach obedience to Christ. Many years ago I came to the Internet to tell people how to have what I have, but they became abusive, most have anyways.