Jerry Shugart
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The Lord told David that He would not "alter" the promises which He made to him. But according to you He did alter those promises and that makes the Lord a liar.
ECT The Land Promise the LORD Gave To David
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The Lord told David that He would not "alter" the promises which He made to him. But according to you He did alter those promises and that makes the Lord a liar.
Interplanner
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No, Jerry, I'm sorry to be late on this but Ps 89 answers your question before you asked. The Psalm is about Christ and the NT says so. It is not about David, who said Christ was His Lord. You have no business saying it is not. It is parallel to Is 55:3 on this which is the commitment by God not to destroy his 'people' again (obviously he did in the DofJ) so he means believers, and that the promises to David belong to Christ. Those in Christ gain his promises.
Jerry Shugart
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The subject is this promise which the Lord made to David:
"Now therefore so shalt thou say unto my servant David...I will appoint a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime" (2 Sam.7:8,10).
You can try to pervert the Bible all you want to but the fact of the matter is that this promisev was made to David.
Interplanner
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I don't think you read the Psalm. It grieves that even though God said that, all has been lost. and God knows everyone knew what a mess David was. THIS CRIES OUT FOR A NEW DAVID!!! That is why the NT is so excited to use it about Christ. Got it?
You don't seem to be aware that you are 'doing' the David passages without any comment by the NT, which makes us end up in entirely different places. It's not perversion at all, it is trying to put together what the NT actually says.
There is a reason why Acts 2 says David did not ascend to heaven and then proclaims Christ who did and who is seated on the throne he deserves. In heaven, yes, but in vital impact on this earth.
beloved57
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I don't have time for that.
Jerry Shugart
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Was this promise made to David?:
"Now therefore so shalt thou say unto my servant David...I will appoint a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime" (2 Sam.7:8,10).
Of course the Lord made this promise to David. And here what the Lord said about the promises which He made to David:
"I have made a covenant with my chosen, I have sworn unto David my servant...Nevertheless my loving-kindness will I not utterly take from him, nor suffer my faithfulness to fail. My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips. Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David" (Ps.89:3,33-35).
The Lord said that He swore to David that He would not "alter" the promises which He made to him and that His faithfulness would not fail.
But you say that the Lord altered His promise about the land and therefore He lied to David.
Then in order to try to justify your efforts to make the Lord a liar you say that none of this applied to David in the first place. You make no sense!
beloved57
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The promises are fulfilled Spiritually in Christ 2 Cor 1:20
For all the promises of God in Him are Yes, and in Him Amen, to the glory of God through us.
Jerry Shugart
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You are mis-reading what the verse says because your interpretation makes the Lord a liar. Here is how A.R. Fausset understands the words "in Him":
"and in him Amen--The oldest manuscripts read, "Wherefore through Him is the Amen"; that is, In Him is faithfulness ("yea") to His word, "wherefore through Him" is the immutable verification of it ("Amen"). As "yea" is His word, so "Amen" is His oath, which makes our assurance of the fulfilment doubly sure. Compare "two immutable things (namely, His word and His oath) in which it was impossible for God to lie" ( Hbr 6:18 Rev 3:14 ). The whole range of Old Testament and New Testament promises are secure in their fulfilment for us in Christ"(Jamieson, Fausset & Brown, Commentary on 2 Corinthians 1)
This interpretation, unlike yours, does not make the Lord a liar.
beloved57
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Are we speaking about a promise or promises of God ?
Interplanner
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But re JS quote from JFB: what is in Christ? Is there any question that 'in Christ' is all that is packed into that event which took place and what God did in it.
TweetyBird
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Perhaps your use of "alter" is misplaced. God did not alter the fact that His promise to David would come to pass. God chooses how those promises are fulfilled. They were not fulfilled according to man's ideas, but by the zeal and purpose of God.
That place is Jesus Christ - He is Peace, Rest, Living Water, Manna from Heaven. Without Him, there is no "promised land", because it is found in Christ, not in the dirt.
Those in Christ are moved no more. We are forever in Him, with Him, living with Him forever in His Kingdom. He is reigning now. We have been translated in to His Kingdom and are citizens of His Kingdom - those who believe - Jew and Gentile alike.
Th emphasis is not on altering the promise - that Jesus would come from David's loins. How that would be accomplished would be up to God. That is why we have the NT so we could see the unimagined beauty of Christ and how life in Him and through Him would show us how God fulfilled those promises to David.
You are stuck on a literal fulfillment pertaining to the land. The NT shows that it is a spiritual fulfillment. There is no word in the NT of a continuing land on earth for the Jewish people. That ceased with the passing of the old covenant when God promised a new covenant built on better promises. The Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Christ within, life in Him, forgiveness through Him, and dwelling forever in His Kingdom are those better promises.
Jerry Shugart
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The promises here in regard to the land are in regard to more than one promise:
"Now therefore so shalt thou say unto my servant David...I will appoint a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime" (2 Sam.7:8,10).
However, I am referring to one particular promise, that the Israelites would be brought back to the land and "move no more." This promise according to the Davidic covenant is restated later by the prophet Jeremiah:
"For I will set mine eyes upon them for good, and I will bring them again to this land: and I will build them, and not pull them down; and I will plant them, and not pluck them up"(Jer.24:6).
"And not pluck them up"! The prophet Amos says the same thing:
"And I will bring again the captivity of my people ...And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God"(Amos 9:14,15).
Therefore we can understand that the Lord has made promises to David in respect to the promised land that have not yet been fulfilled. There has never been a time when the children of Israel have been brought back to the promised land and have not "been pulled up out of their land" (unless that is being fulfilled now).
Jerry Shugart
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Here we can see a prophecy which speaks of the time when the Israelites will be brought back to the promised land and move no more:
"Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land...And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have...Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore. My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people" (Ez.37:25-27).
Here we read that the Lord will set His sanctuary in the midst of the Israelites for ever. And the Israelites "shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob.." Therefore, in the future the Lord will set His sanctuary in the midst of the children of Israel for evermore at the time they will dwell in the land that God gave to Jacob.
And that matches perfectly with the promise which the Lord made to David concerning the land which He gave to Jacob.
If a literal fulfillment is not in view then it would make no sense to specify the land as the land the Lord gave Jacob.
How can you spiritualize that away?
Does the scripture testify that satan is the god this world? Yes, it does. Does scripture testify that Christ is in exile, i.e., not ruling this world today? Yes, it does(a study of king David as a "type" of the Lord Jesus Christ, a king in "exile" would be profitable). Does most of this world reject the Lord Jesus Christ? Yes, it does. Is he currently reigning as "...KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS..."(Rev. 19:16 KJV), ruling with a rod of iron on earth from Jerusalem? No, He is not, and does not(He will, in the future, when the prophetic program resumes). Is the LORD God still in control? Yes, He most assuredly is. Sovereign control is not equivalent to reigning physically on earth, and in the heavenly places.
The Lord Jesus Christ is not reigning physically on earth today-we live in a Christ-rejecting world. Satan is the "god of this world" today, and if many cannot see this, and not believe what Paul, their our apostle is telling them, by command from the risen, ascended, glorified, and yes, exiled Lord Jesus Christ from heaven, not on earth, I will let them "be ignorant"(biblically, ''ignorant" does not mean 'stupid'-it means 'lack of knowledge') But He will. I cannot make them see this, nor Eph. 3:9 KJV. They cannot, and will not, distinguish between the spiritual kingdom of God, and the literal, earthly, physical kingdom of heaven on earth. The Jews were promised a literal, physical reign on earth under the Lord Jesus Christ(He will be reigning physically from Jerusalem) in resurrected bodies. This has not happened, but will happen, in spite of others' disbelief. The body of Christ has no land promise on this earth-none. The curse of Genesis will be lifted, and we will experience "…the days of heaven upon the earth…"(Deut. 11:21 KJV), "…the times of refreshing…"(Acts 3:19 KJV), including "...the times of restitution of all things…"(Acts 3:21 KJV), and this "all things" includes the restoration of both the earth and the heavenlies under the LORD God's control. The Holy Spirit is very particular in His choice of words: "In the beginning God create the heaven and the earth…," not "universe." The LORD God's purpose in Christ Jesus is to restore dominion/control of both spheres, and has designated the earth for the believing remnant of the nation Israel, as His kingdom of priests, ministers, servants, witnesses(for service), and the heavenlies for the body of Christ.
Psalms 110:1 KJV does not demonstrate that the Lord Jesus Christ was seated on David's throne at the right hand of the father until all of His enemies are made His footstool. No scripture says that the Lord Jesus Christ is sitting on David's throne in heaven right now. He's in the third heaven all right, but not on David's throne. David's throne is never said to be in heavenly places/the third heaven-it was on earth.
The Lord Jesus Christ is seated at the right hand of God, therefore He is currently on God the Father's throne.
The Lord Jesus Christ's throne-on earth:
"And he said unto her, What wilt thou? She saith unto him, Grant that these my two sons may sit, the one on thy right hand, and the other on the left, in thy kingdom." Mt. 20:21 KJV=will be on earth
"To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne,even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne." Rev. 3:21 KJV
NOTICE: "my throne", ie., the Lord Jesus Christ's throne, is differentiated from His Fathers's throne-"his throne."
Again, the Lord Jesus Christ's throne-on earth:
"And he said unto her, What wilt thou? She saith unto him, Grant that
these my two sons may sit, the one on thy right hand, and the other on the left, in thy kingdom." Mt. 20:21 KJV
"To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne." Rev. 3:21 KJV
Vs.
God the Father's throne:
"Which he wrought in Christ, when he(God the Father-my note) raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places," Eph. 1:20 KJV
"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:."
Eph. 1:3 KJV
"And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus..." Eph. 2:6 KJV
=Members of the body of Christ will sit with the Lord Jesus Christ in the heavenlies upon God the Father's throne, but kingdom members will sit upon the Lord Jesus Christ's throne on earth.
Survey Luke 19 KJV.....
11 And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear. 12 He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return. 13 And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come. 14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us. 15 And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading. 16 Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds. 17 And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities. 18 And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds. 19 And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities. 20 And another came, saying, Lord, behold, here is thy pound, which I have kept laid up in a napkin: 21 for I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow. 22 And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow: 23 wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury? 24 And he said unto them that stood by, Take from him the pound, and give it to him that hath ten pounds. 25 (And they said unto him, Lord, he hath ten pounds.) 26 For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him. 27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
Luke 20 KJV
9 Then began he to speak to the people this parable; A certain man planted a vineyard, and let it forth to husbandmen, and went into a far country for a long time. 10 And at the season he sent a servant to the husbandmen, that they should give him of the fruit of the vineyard: but the husbandmen beat him, and sent him away empty. 11 And again he sent another servant: and they beat him also, and entreated him shamefully, and sent him away empty. 12 And again he sent a third: and they wounded him also, and cast him out. 13 Then said the lord of the vineyard, What shall I do? I will send my beloved son: it may be they will reverence him when they see him. 14 But when the husbandmen saw him, they reasoned among themselves, saying, This is the heir: come, let us kill him, that the inheritance may be ours. 15 So they cast him out of the vineyard, and killed him. What therefore shall the lord of the vineyard do unto them? 16 He shall come and destroy these husbandmen, and shall give the vineyard to others. And when they heard it, they said, God forbid. 17 And he beheld them, and said, What is this then that is written, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner? 18 Whosoever shall fall upon that stone shall be broken; but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
19 And the chief priests and the scribes the same hour sought to lay hands on him; and they feared the people: for they perceived that he had spoken this parable against them.
The Lord Jesus Christ is in exile until He returns in wrath and power. He will not be on His own throne until His return to earth to reclaim His earthly Kingdom. And this will be done by force-a kingdom is always set up by force. The reign of a king is never said to be ushered in by a gradual process of world improvement; on the contrary, this reign is introduced suddenly, and with great violence/force-"set up"(see also Mt. 11:12 KJV, Mt. 24:27 KJV; Mal. 3:1 KJV; Is. 11:4 KJV, Is .19:1 KJV; John 6:15 KJV):
"And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever." Daniel 2:44 KJV
"In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land." Jeremiah 33:15 KJV
vs. the body of Christ, the church in this dispensation, is said to be gradually "built up":
"For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building. According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth hereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ." 1 Cor. 3:9-11 KJV
"Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving." Colossians 2:7 KJV
"And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit." Ephesians 2:20-22 KJV
The Lord Jesus will literally set His feet back on the Mount of Olives, as the angel in Acts 1 indicates. And thus Deut. 11:21 KJV will be fufilled:
"That your days may be multiplied, and the days of your children, in the land which the LORD sware unto your fathers to give them,as the days of heaven upon the earth." Deut. 11:21 KJV
If these words are not to be viewed as literal, then I suggest we all "pack it in, go home, class dismissed-we can learn nothing from each other, and we can teaching each other nothing."
Most refuse to distinguish from the body of Christ's calling/reign to be in the heavenlies, with spiritual blessings, not physical, and not on earth, vs. Israel's calling/reign will be on earth, with their promised physical blessings. "...we are translated into His kingdom" Yes, we are considered spiritually delivered into his heavenly now, not Israel's earthly, kingdom, merely awaiting the redemption of our bodies to reign in the heavenlies. We are not Israel, and have no reign on earth, and none of Israel's land is ours:
"That your days may be multiplied, and the days of your children, in the land which the LORD sware unto your fathers to give them, as the days of heaven upon the earth." Deut. 11:21 KJV
David's throne is never said to be in the third heaven. Acts 2:29-32 KJV is stating, that the resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ was the assurance, the promise, that, from David's loins, THE KING, the Lord Jesus Christ, would "sit on his throne", "his throne" being David's throne! This throne is on the earth, where the Lord Jesus Christ will reign over all the earth, with Israel as the head nation.Again, David's throne was on earth. It was never said to be in the third heaven.
There will be a literal, earthly, kingdom of heaven on earth, with the Lord Jesus Christ reigning on earth, despite any denials. The body of Christ's position of reign in the heavenlies is nowhere to be found outside of Paul's epistles, and was unheard of in Jewish thought in the OT. The body of Christ has no part in this earthly kingdom,and we have no land.
The Lord Jesus Christ is not reigning physically on earth today-we live in a Christ-rejecting world. Satan is the "god of this world" today, and if many cannot see this, and not believe what Paul, their our apostle is telling them, by command from the risen, ascended, glorified, and yes, exiled Lord Jesus Christ from heaven, not on earth, I will let them "be ignorant"(biblically, ''ignorant" does not mean 'stupid'-it means 'lack of knowledge') But He will. I cannot make them see this, nor Eph. 3:9 KJV. They cannot, and will not, distinguish between the spiritual kingdom of God, and the literal, earthly, physical kingdom of heaven on earth. The Jews were promised a literal, physical reign on earth under the Lord Jesus Christ(He will be reigning physically from Jerusalem) in resurrected bodies. This has not happened, but will happen, in spite of others' disbelief. The body of Christ has no land promise on this earth-none. The curse of Genesis will be lifted, and we will experience "…the days of heaven upon the earth…"(Deut. 11:21 KJV), "…the times of refreshing…"(Acts 3:19 KJV), including "...the times of restitution of all things…"(Acts 3:21 KJV), and this "all things" includes the restoration of both the earth and the heavenlies under the LORD God's control. The Holy Spirit is very particular in His choice of words: "In the beginning God create the heaven and the earth…," not "universe." The LORD God's purpose in Christ Jesus is to restore dominion/control of both spheres, and has designated the earth for the believing remnant of the nation Israel, as His kingdom of priests, ministers, servants, witnesses(for service), and the heavenlies for the body of Christ.
Psalms 110:1 KJV does not demonstrate that the Lord Jesus Christ was seated on David's throne at the right hand of the father until all of His enemies are made His footstool. No scripture says that the Lord Jesus Christ is sitting on David's throne in heaven right now. He's in the third heaven all right, but not on David's throne. David's throne is never said to be in heavenly places/the third heaven-it was on earth.
The Lord Jesus Christ is seated at the right hand of God, therefore He is currently on God the Father's throne.
The Lord Jesus Christ's throne-on earth:
"And he said unto her, What wilt thou? She saith unto him, Grant that these my two sons may sit, the one on thy right hand, and the other on the left, in thy kingdom." Mt. 20:21 KJV=will be on earth
"To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne,even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne." Rev. 3:21 KJV
NOTICE: "my throne", ie., the Lord Jesus Christ's throne, is differentiated from His Fathers's throne-"his throne."
Again, the Lord Jesus Christ's throne-on earth:
"And he said unto her, What wilt thou? She saith unto him, Grant that
these my two sons may sit, the one on thy right hand, and the other on the left, in thy kingdom." Mt. 20:21 KJV
"To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne." Rev. 3:21 KJV
Vs.
God the Father's throne:
"Which he wrought in Christ, when he(God the Father-my note) raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places," Eph. 1:20 KJV
"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:."
Eph. 1:3 KJV
"And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus..." Eph. 2:6 KJV
=Members of the body of Christ will sit with the Lord Jesus Christ in the heavenlies upon God the Father's throne, but kingdom members will sit upon the Lord Jesus Christ's throne on earth.
Survey Luke 19 KJV.....
11 And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear. 12 He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return. 13 And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come. 14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us. 15 And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading. 16 Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds. 17 And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities. 18 And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds. 19 And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities. 20 And another came, saying, Lord, behold, here is thy pound, which I have kept laid up in a napkin: 21 for I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow. 22 And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow: 23 wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury? 24 And he said unto them that stood by, Take from him the pound, and give it to him that hath ten pounds. 25 (And they said unto him, Lord, he hath ten pounds.) 26 For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him. 27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
Luke 20 KJV
9 Then began he to speak to the people this parable; A certain man planted a vineyard, and let it forth to husbandmen, and went into a far country for a long time. 10 And at the season he sent a servant to the husbandmen, that they should give him of the fruit of the vineyard: but the husbandmen beat him, and sent him away empty. 11 And again he sent another servant: and they beat him also, and entreated him shamefully, and sent him away empty. 12 And again he sent a third: and they wounded him also, and cast him out. 13 Then said the lord of the vineyard, What shall I do? I will send my beloved son: it may be they will reverence him when they see him. 14 But when the husbandmen saw him, they reasoned among themselves, saying, This is the heir: come, let us kill him, that the inheritance may be ours. 15 So they cast him out of the vineyard, and killed him. What therefore shall the lord of the vineyard do unto them? 16 He shall come and destroy these husbandmen, and shall give the vineyard to others. And when they heard it, they said, God forbid. 17 And he beheld them, and said, What is this then that is written, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner? 18 Whosoever shall fall upon that stone shall be broken; but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
19 And the chief priests and the scribes the same hour sought to lay hands on him; and they feared the people: for they perceived that he had spoken this parable against them.
The Lord Jesus Christ is in exile until He returns in wrath and power. He will not be on His own throne until His return to earth to reclaim His earthly Kingdom. And this will be done by force-a kingdom is always set up by force. The reign of a king is never said to be ushered in by a gradual process of world improvement; on the contrary, this reign is introduced suddenly, and with great violence/force-"set up"(see also Mt. 11:12 KJV, Mt. 24:27 KJV; Mal. 3:1 KJV; Is. 11:4 KJV, Is .19:1 KJV; John 6:15 KJV):
"And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever." Daniel 2:44 KJV
"In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land." Jeremiah 33:15 KJV
vs. the body of Christ, the church in this dispensation, is said to be gradually "built up":
"For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building. According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth hereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ." 1 Cor. 3:9-11 KJV
"Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving." Colossians 2:7 KJV
"And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit." Ephesians 2:20-22 KJV
The Lord Jesus will literally set His feet back on the Mount of Olives, as the angel in Acts 1 indicates. And thus Deut. 11:21 KJV will be fufilled:
"That your days may be multiplied, and the days of your children, in the land which the LORD sware unto your fathers to give them,as the days of heaven upon the earth." Deut. 11:21 KJV
If these words are not to be viewed as literal, then I suggest we all "pack it in, go home, class dismissed-we can learn nothing from each other, and we can teaching each other nothing."
Most refuse to distinguish from the body of Christ's calling/reign to be in the heavenlies, with spiritual blessings, not physical, and not on earth, vs. Israel's calling/reign will be on earth, with their promised physical blessings. "...we are translated into His kingdom" Yes, we are considered spiritually delivered into his heavenly now, not Israel's earthly, kingdom, merely awaiting the redemption of our bodies to reign in the heavenlies. We are not Israel, and have no reign on earth, and none of Israel's land is ours:
"That your days may be multiplied, and the days of your children, in the land which the LORD sware unto your fathers to give them, as the days of heaven upon the earth." Deut. 11:21 KJV
David's throne is never said to be in the third heaven. Acts 2:29-32 KJV is stating, that the resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ was the assurance, the promise, that, from David's loins, THE KING, the Lord Jesus Christ, would "sit on his throne", "his throne" being David's throne! This throne is on the earth, where the Lord Jesus Christ will reign over all the earth, with Israel as the head nation.Again, David's throne was on earth. It was never said to be in the third heaven.
There will be a literal, earthly, kingdom of heaven on earth, with the Lord Jesus Christ reigning on earth, despite any denials. The body of Christ's position of reign in the heavenlies is nowhere to be found outside of Paul's epistles, and was unheard of in Jewish thought in the OT. The body of Christ has no part in this earthly kingdom,and we have no land.
Land/earth, baby:
According to The Holy Bible, the land in dispute, upon which the Palestinians wish to form a state, was granted to the believing remnant of the nation Israel, not us, the body of Christ. Because the LORD God has granted the land to Israel, the ownership is theirs, not ours. God's stated intention is that the regathered Israel would "dispossess" other peoples from the land designated for them. (Isaiah 54:2-3 KJV). Anyone even vaguely familiar with the covenants between the LORD God and Israel should understand that the land grants that God unilaterally conveyed upon Israel are an integral part of those covenants. This same land is being contended for by other parties who are in opposition to God’s declared intentions-the Arabs(Ishmael's family, Essau's family...............). Israel will be "...the chief of the nations..."(Jer. 31:7 KJV), on earth. on their land promised to them, not us, unconditionally by the LORD God. And replacement theology, like the actors of Islam, hold hands in this doctrine-they only disagree as to whose land it is.
The culmination of God’s redemptive plan, both spiritual and physical, will only occur in conjunction with the spiritual restoration and physical rejuvenation of Israel. This is one of the primary themes of the prophets, stated over and over in the Holy Bible. Without an appreciation for the significance of the role Israel will play in the future, one cannot properly begin to grasp God’s prophetic program, as replacement theology demonstrates.
And what would the Jews being looking towards when the Lord Jesus Christ and John the Baptist came upon the scene? The physical restoration of their kingdom! And hence- the "gospel", the "good news" of the impending kingdom ON EARTH , "the gospel of the kingdom."
The Messiah, the Christ, had appeared, and all that had been written about Him would certainly be fulfilled, and all the covenants the LORD God made with the Jews, including the land covenant, "the promises made unto the fathers"(Romans 15:8 KJV), not the body of Christ, will be fulfilled. The Holy Bible is replete with many depictions of the LORD God’s rule over all the world from Jerusalem, with the Jews as "the chief of the nations"(Jer. 31:7 KJV), a rule of justice and goodness and peace, were at the forefront of Jewish thought when the Lord Jesus Christ appeared. When the messengers of the "good news", which is "the gospel of the kingdom", proclaimed that the Kingdom was at hand, that could only mean one thing: the King was here, the Lord Jesus Christ,and it was time for Israel to assume her role as the "chief of the nations", on earth, kingdom of priests, ministers, servants, witnesses, on a land promised to her, not the body of Christ, with the King of Israel ruling over her and the world.
David was King of Judah and over all of Israel. Mary was promised that Jesus would "reign over the house of Jacob [Israel] for ever...on the throne of his father David" (Luke 1:32-33 KJV).
David’s throne was not in the third heaven, but in Jerusalem. David never ruled from the third heaven, nor will Christ rule over Israel restored to her land from the third heaven, but from earth.
As we know, all was not immediately fulfilled in His first appearance. But without question all of these prophecies will be fulfilled in His second appearance, and all covenants will be fulfilled shortly thereafter. The Lord Jesus Christs' close acquaintances understood this, asking Him just before He departed from them, "Lord, wilt at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?"(Acts 1:6 KJV) These "unlearned and ignorant men"(Acts 4:13 KJV)men clearly understood that the fulfillment of the Kingdom and the restoration of Israel to the place of world preeminence are intimately connected events, and yet many self-acclaimed "religious experts", such as those in the Replacement Theology camp, do not, as intellectual dung is shoveled out at many seminaries/cemeteries. Their fallacious arguments are refuted based on a literal reading of the scriptures. But they continue their over-spiritualization of the Holy Bible, and thus, "the church" inherits the land.
Again
avid was King of Judah and over all of Israel. Mary was promised that the Lord Jesus Christ would "reign over the house of Jacob for ever..."on "...the throne of his father David" (Luke 1:32-33 KJV). David’'s throne was not in the third heaven, but in Jerusalem. David never ruled from the third heaven, nor will the Lord Jesus Christ rule over Israel restored to her land from heaven, but from earth. The body of Christ will reign in the heavenlies, and has NO LAND INHERITANCE.
A rule of justice and goodness and peace on earth today,a time "...as the days of heaven upon the earth...(Deut. 11:21)? Right. And I'm Sponge Bob.
The first coming: The sin/sins issue resolved.
The second coming, "the second time": The evil issue is resolved.
According to The Holy Bible, the land in dispute, upon which the Palestinians wish to form a state, was granted to the believing remnant of the nation Israel, not us, the body of Christ. Because the LORD God has granted the land to Israel, the ownership is theirs, not ours. God's stated intention is that the regathered Israel would "dispossess" other peoples from the land designated for them. (Isaiah 54:2-3 KJV). Anyone even vaguely familiar with the covenants between the LORD God and Israel should understand that the land grants that God unilaterally conveyed upon Israel are an integral part of those covenants. This same land is being contended for by other parties who are in opposition to God’s declared intentions-the Arabs(Ishmael's family, Essau's family...............). Israel will be "...the chief of the nations..."(Jer. 31:7 KJV), on earth. on their land promised to them, not us, unconditionally by the LORD God. And replacement theology, like the actors of Islam, hold hands in this doctrine-they only disagree as to whose land it is.
The culmination of God’s redemptive plan, both spiritual and physical, will only occur in conjunction with the spiritual restoration and physical rejuvenation of Israel. This is one of the primary themes of the prophets, stated over and over in the Holy Bible. Without an appreciation for the significance of the role Israel will play in the future, one cannot properly begin to grasp God’s prophetic program, as replacement theology demonstrates.
And what would the Jews being looking towards when the Lord Jesus Christ and John the Baptist came upon the scene? The physical restoration of their kingdom! And hence- the "gospel", the "good news" of the impending kingdom ON EARTH , "the gospel of the kingdom."
The Messiah, the Christ, had appeared, and all that had been written about Him would certainly be fulfilled, and all the covenants the LORD God made with the Jews, including the land covenant, "the promises made unto the fathers"(Romans 15:8 KJV), not the body of Christ, will be fulfilled. The Holy Bible is replete with many depictions of the LORD God’s rule over all the world from Jerusalem, with the Jews as "the chief of the nations"(Jer. 31:7 KJV), a rule of justice and goodness and peace, were at the forefront of Jewish thought when the Lord Jesus Christ appeared. When the messengers of the "good news", which is "the gospel of the kingdom", proclaimed that the Kingdom was at hand, that could only mean one thing: the King was here, the Lord Jesus Christ,and it was time for Israel to assume her role as the "chief of the nations", on earth, kingdom of priests, ministers, servants, witnesses, on a land promised to her, not the body of Christ, with the King of Israel ruling over her and the world.
David was King of Judah and over all of Israel. Mary was promised that Jesus would "reign over the house of Jacob [Israel] for ever...on the throne of his father David" (Luke 1:32-33 KJV).
David’s throne was not in the third heaven, but in Jerusalem. David never ruled from the third heaven, nor will Christ rule over Israel restored to her land from the third heaven, but from earth.
As we know, all was not immediately fulfilled in His first appearance. But without question all of these prophecies will be fulfilled in His second appearance, and all covenants will be fulfilled shortly thereafter. The Lord Jesus Christs' close acquaintances understood this, asking Him just before He departed from them, "Lord, wilt at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?"(Acts 1:6 KJV) These "unlearned and ignorant men"(Acts 4:13 KJV)men clearly understood that the fulfillment of the Kingdom and the restoration of Israel to the place of world preeminence are intimately connected events, and yet many self-acclaimed "religious experts", such as those in the Replacement Theology camp, do not, as intellectual dung is shoveled out at many seminaries/cemeteries. Their fallacious arguments are refuted based on a literal reading of the scriptures. But they continue their over-spiritualization of the Holy Bible, and thus, "the church" inherits the land.
Again
avid was King of Judah and over all of Israel. Mary was promised that the Lord Jesus Christ would "reign over the house of Jacob for ever..."on "...the throne of his father David" (Luke 1:32-33 KJV). David’'s throne was not in the third heaven, but in Jerusalem. David never ruled from the third heaven, nor will the Lord Jesus Christ rule over Israel restored to her land from heaven, but from earth. The body of Christ will reign in the heavenlies, and has NO LAND INHERITANCE.A rule of justice and goodness and peace on earth today,a time "...as the days of heaven upon the earth...(Deut. 11:21)? Right. And I'm Sponge Bob.
The first coming: The sin/sins issue resolved.
The second coming, "the second time": The evil issue is resolved.
"Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth." Matthew 5:5 KJV
"Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven." Matthew 6:10 KJV
"That your days may be multiplied, and the days of your children, in the land which the LORD sware unto your fathers to give them, as the days of heaven upon the earth." Deuteronomy 11:21 KJV
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"But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace." Psalms 37:11 KJV
"For such as be blessed of him shall inherit the earth; and they that be cursed of him shall be cut off." Psalms 37:22 KJV
"The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever." Psalms 37:29 KJV
"Wait on the LORD, and keep his way, and he shall exalt thee to inherit the land: when the wicked are cut off, thou shalt see it." Psalms 37:34 KJV
"But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth: with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked." Isaiah 11:4 KJV
"Thy people also shall be all righteous: they shall inherit the land for ever, the branch of my planting, the work of my hands, that I may be glorified." Isaiah 60:21 KJV
"Then will I cause you to dwell in this place, in the land that I gave to your fathers, for ever and ever." Jeremiah 7:7 KJV
"And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever." Ezekiel 37:25 KJV
"And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there." Isiah 65:9 KJV
(For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.") Isiah 45:4 KJV
Where is your land, you "Jacob"'s of the world, "Replacement Theology" thieves? After all, you came out of "the time of Jacob's trouble", did you not?
In the resurrection, the LORD God will fulfill the land promise exactly as written by raising up from the dead Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob(and Daniel and.................). This conclusion alone honors the promises of God and the faith of Abraham. When Abraham died, he had not received the promised land!(nor did Daniel!) In the resurrection,he and his faithful descendants will inherit the land exactly as promised.
"By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance(my emphasis-in the resurrection, as confirmed in Daniel 12:13 KJV=his "lot=his land inheritance in a resurrected body), obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went." Hebrews 11:8 KJV
In Matt 22:31-32 KJV, the Lord Jesus Christ, speaking to unbelieving Sadducees, connects God and Abraham to prove/confirm the doctrine of the resurrection.
"But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living"(resurrection-my emphasis).
Daniel 12:13 KJV: "But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest(in death-my note), and stand in thy lot at the end of the days"(in resurrection attain the land inheritance-my note/ emphasis).
Matt 8:11 KJV: "And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven"(resurrected in the land of "the kingdom of heaven"-my note/emphasis).
Again...
Daniel 2:44 KJV: " And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom(my emphasis-a kingdom is set up by force=a violent, sudden event with great force, while the body of Christ is being "built up"=a gradual, process-1 Cor. 3:9-11 KJV, Col. 2:7 KJV, Eph. 2:20-22 KJV), which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever."
No one can sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, unless they are raised from the dead.
The Genesis 12 Everlasting Covenant
-Genesis 17:7 KJV, Genesis 17:19 KJV
That necessarily includes Resurrection.
Land-the land promised to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and Jacob's descedants: Gen. 13:17 KJV, Genesis 15:7 KJV, Genesis 17:8 KJV, Genesis 26:3 KJV, Genesis 28:13 KJV; Heb. 11:8-9 KJV.
Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob die without receiving the promised land: Heb 11:13 KJV; Gen. 25:8 KJV, Genesis 34:29 KJV, Genesis 49:33 KJV; Acts 7:5 KJV
The land is specifically promised to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (and Jacob's descendents, including Daniel), and that they died without receiving that promised land.
The Land Promise is repeated or referred to more than any other promise: Genesis 12:7 KJV, Genesis 13:15 KJV, Genesis 13:17 KJV, Genesis 15:7 KJV, Genesis 15:18 KJV, Genesis 26:3 KJV, Genesis 28:3-4 KJV
unto Eternal life:
An everlasting covenant between GOD and Abraham demands everlasting life, an everlasting possession of the promised land to Abraham and his descendants demands the resurrection and everlasting life.
These facts of an everlasting covenant between God and Abraham, Gen.17:7 KJV, and the promise of an everlasting possession of the land given to Abraham(Gen 17:8 KJV), are the biblical foundation for our belief in the resurrection and eternal life, and the eternal inheritance of the Lord Jesus Christ Christ and the believing remnant of the nation Israel saints.
The LORD God, unlike man, will be faithful. The Romans 15:8 KJV promise to the circumcision will happen.
And on and on. And this replacement theology" teaching will be reviewed, and the "...lying tongue is but for a moment"(Proverbs 12:19) for these robbers, thieves.
Reppies are attempting to rob the believing remnant of the nation Israel of their program, and telling God He is wrong when He says that Israel will be restored to glory and will then be a blessing to the whole earth, on the earth. The body of Christ is not, nor will ever be Israel, no matter how much effort and twisting of Scripture is done to attempt to prove it, and we will have none of this land-NADA..
"Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven." Matthew 6:10 KJV
"That your days may be multiplied, and the days of your children, in the land which the LORD sware unto your fathers to give them, as the days of heaven upon the earth." Deuteronomy 11:21 KJV
__________________________________________________ ________
"But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace." Psalms 37:11 KJV
"For such as be blessed of him shall inherit the earth; and they that be cursed of him shall be cut off." Psalms 37:22 KJV
"The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever." Psalms 37:29 KJV
"Wait on the LORD, and keep his way, and he shall exalt thee to inherit the land: when the wicked are cut off, thou shalt see it." Psalms 37:34 KJV
"But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth: with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked." Isaiah 11:4 KJV
"Thy people also shall be all righteous: they shall inherit the land for ever, the branch of my planting, the work of my hands, that I may be glorified." Isaiah 60:21 KJV
"Then will I cause you to dwell in this place, in the land that I gave to your fathers, for ever and ever." Jeremiah 7:7 KJV
"And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever." Ezekiel 37:25 KJV
"And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there." Isiah 65:9 KJV
(For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.") Isiah 45:4 KJV
Where is your land, you "Jacob"'s of the world, "Replacement Theology" thieves? After all, you came out of "the time of Jacob's trouble", did you not?
In the resurrection, the LORD God will fulfill the land promise exactly as written by raising up from the dead Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob(and Daniel and.................). This conclusion alone honors the promises of God and the faith of Abraham. When Abraham died, he had not received the promised land!(nor did Daniel!) In the resurrection,he and his faithful descendants will inherit the land exactly as promised.
"By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance(my emphasis-in the resurrection, as confirmed in Daniel 12:13 KJV=his "lot=his land inheritance in a resurrected body), obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went." Hebrews 11:8 KJV
In Matt 22:31-32 KJV, the Lord Jesus Christ, speaking to unbelieving Sadducees, connects God and Abraham to prove/confirm the doctrine of the resurrection.
"But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living"(resurrection-my emphasis).
Daniel 12:13 KJV: "But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest(in death-my note), and stand in thy lot at the end of the days"(in resurrection attain the land inheritance-my note/ emphasis).
Matt 8:11 KJV: "And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven"(resurrected in the land of "the kingdom of heaven"-my note/emphasis).
Again...
Daniel 2:44 KJV: " And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom(my emphasis-a kingdom is set up by force=a violent, sudden event with great force, while the body of Christ is being "built up"=a gradual, process-1 Cor. 3:9-11 KJV, Col. 2:7 KJV, Eph. 2:20-22 KJV), which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever."
No one can sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, unless they are raised from the dead.
The Genesis 12 Everlasting Covenant
-Genesis 17:7 KJV, Genesis 17:19 KJV
That necessarily includes Resurrection.
Land-the land promised to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and Jacob's descedants: Gen. 13:17 KJV, Genesis 15:7 KJV, Genesis 17:8 KJV, Genesis 26:3 KJV, Genesis 28:13 KJV; Heb. 11:8-9 KJV.
Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob die without receiving the promised land: Heb 11:13 KJV; Gen. 25:8 KJV, Genesis 34:29 KJV, Genesis 49:33 KJV; Acts 7:5 KJV
The land is specifically promised to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (and Jacob's descendents, including Daniel), and that they died without receiving that promised land.
The Land Promise is repeated or referred to more than any other promise: Genesis 12:7 KJV, Genesis 13:15 KJV, Genesis 13:17 KJV, Genesis 15:7 KJV, Genesis 15:18 KJV, Genesis 26:3 KJV, Genesis 28:3-4 KJV
unto Eternal life:
An everlasting covenant between GOD and Abraham demands everlasting life, an everlasting possession of the promised land to Abraham and his descendants demands the resurrection and everlasting life.
These facts of an everlasting covenant between God and Abraham, Gen.17:7 KJV, and the promise of an everlasting possession of the land given to Abraham(Gen 17:8 KJV), are the biblical foundation for our belief in the resurrection and eternal life, and the eternal inheritance of the Lord Jesus Christ Christ and the believing remnant of the nation Israel saints.
The LORD God, unlike man, will be faithful. The Romans 15:8 KJV promise to the circumcision will happen.
And on and on. And this replacement theology" teaching will be reviewed, and the "...lying tongue is but for a moment"(Proverbs 12:19) for these robbers, thieves.
Reppies are attempting to rob the believing remnant of the nation Israel of their program, and telling God He is wrong when He says that Israel will be restored to glory and will then be a blessing to the whole earth, on the earth. The body of Christ is not, nor will ever be Israel, no matter how much effort and twisting of Scripture is done to attempt to prove it, and we will have none of this land-NADA..
Christ will not move from His Throne to an old testament throne of David.
Act 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
Act 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
Act 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
Act 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
Act 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Act 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Act 2:35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
Rev 3:22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
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TweetyBird
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Once Jesus came, He showed that it was about Him, not about a physical parcel of land. Jesus is that covenant of peace - He is the prince of Peace.
That Sanctuary is the Lord Jesus Christ. He is the Temple, and has made His home within us. He told the people that they search the Scriptures to find Him, but do not come to HIM. He is Living Water, Manna from Heaven. Why would they seek a physical land when everything they need is found in Him? The NT clearly shows that the earth will be burned up and pass away. It will do no one any good and too late for the Jewish people, other than those who are saved - the remnant that the OT prophets spoke of.
Heb 11 and 13 explain that the OT saints were not looking for an earthly land - but an Heavenly. Even if they could go back to the earthly, they would not choose to go back - but were looking for a city built by God.
The Land promises are not what God was referring to. It was always about another place. To the Jews, the Promised Land was the ultimate possession - they did not know that their Messiah would be the better promise.
The NT does not say one word about the Jews getting their physical property back. It states that Jesus Christ is the end goal, an eternal place of rest, promise, peace and joy. All in Christ are being built into a spiritual habitation, regardless of ethnicity. This concept is shown throughout the NT.