The Christian Life

[Gurucam]

Do you know that you must be 'converted' before Jesus can help or heal you? It was no done deal.

Do you know that to be 'converted' is to cease having a heart/spirit' that is 'waxed gross' or covered over.

Matthew: 13 KJV N.T.
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

It was no done deal. After Jesus physically died and His Spirit was regenerated and he was raised to spirit heaven, clad only in his regenerated spirit body, it remain incumbent that each person become 'converted', then they can and must commune with and be healed by the Spirit Jesus, as Paul exemplified. . This is the only path to salvation, delivery to heaven and Christianity.

1 Corinthians: 15 King James Version (KJV)
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

Matthew: 19 KJV N.T.
27 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?
28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Christianity is only about being converted. Then searching one's 'no longer' waxed gross heart' to discern the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Lord Jesus, within it. Then following and being led into all ones' works by precisely what this Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God Lord Jesus has in mind for one to know, pray for, say and do, as discerned within one's own hearts/spirit . . . even if one has to transgress the ten commandments.

Christianity has nothing to do with 'death on cross for all sin', etc. Those ideas are common 'false prophet' facilities.

It is confirmed in the Holy KJV N.T. that Jesus abolished the law . . . but only for those who are 'converted' and 'in Christ'. These are the chosen few who actually soweth to Spirit and reap everlasting life. Only they actually follow Jesus, in three day after death, to heaven.

Galatians: 6 King James Version (KJV)
7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

The law was not abolished for the great masses who remain 'the dead'. The law was reaffirmed to these people, so that while they live they will be managed and serve the law of flesh, sin, death and Satan. And when they die they will be buried inside the earth, in hell, with Satan. Few from among these people were expected to be 'converted' and come onto Christ.

Jesus inevitably had perpetual vengeance on the Jews who denied, persecuted and killed Him. This was not obvious on earth while they live. It was evident after they died and faced judgment.

Those Jews and all others, who (continued to) esteem, invoke and use the ten commandments, continue to serve flesh while they lived and they were dispatched to hell inside the earth, with Satan, when they die. This is how Jesus buried the Jews and others who refused to abandon the ten commandments and embrace the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus.

1 Thessalonians 2 KJV N.T.
14 For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:
15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men.

Romans 12:19King James Version (KJV)
19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

Seems that Jews were and continue to be, perpetually punished for denying and killing Jesus.

 

[Robert Pate]

Do you know that you must be 'converted' before Jesus can help or heal you? It was no done deal.

Do you know that to be 'converted' is to cease having a heart/spirit' that is 'waxed gross' or covered over.

Matthew: 13 KJV N.T.
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

It was no done deal. After Jesus physically died and His Spirit was regenerated and he was raised to spirit heaven, clad only in his regenerated spirit body, it remain incumbent that each person become 'converted', then they can and must commune with and be healed by the Spirit Jesus, as Paul exemplified. . This is the only path to salvation, delivery to heaven and Christianity.

1 Corinthians: 15 King James Version (KJV)
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

Matthew: 19 KJV N.T.
27 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?
28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Christianity is only about being converted. Then searching one's 'no longer' waxed gross heart' to discern the Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, Lord Jesus, within it. Then following and being led into all ones' works by precisely what this Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God Lord Jesus has in mind for one to know, pray for, say and do, as discerned within one's own hearts/spirit . . . even if one has to transgress the ten commandments.

Christianity has nothing to do with 'death on cross for all sin', etc. Those ideas are common 'false prophet' facilities.

It is confirmed in the Holy KJV N.T. that Jesus abolished the law . . . but only for those who are 'converted' and 'in Christ'. These are the chosen few who actually soweth to Spirit and reap everlasting life. Only they actually follow Jesus, in three day after death, to heaven.

Galatians: 6 King James Version (KJV)
7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

The law was not abolished for the great masses who remain 'the dead'. The law was reaffirmed to these people, so that while they live they will be managed and serve the law of flesh, sin, death and Satan. And when they die they will be buried inside the earth, in hell, with Satan. Few from among these people were expected to be 'converted' and come onto Christ.

Jesus inevitably had perpetual vengeance on the Jews who denied, persecuted and killed Him. This was not obvious on earth while they live. It was evident after they died and faced judgment.

Those Jews and all others, who (continued to) esteem, invoke and use the ten commandments, continue to serve flesh while they lived and they were dispatched to hell inside the earth, with Satan, when they die. This is how Jesus buried the Jews and others who refused to abandon the ten commandments and embrace the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus.

1 Thessalonians 2 KJV N.T.
14 For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:
15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men.

Romans 12:19King James Version (KJV)
19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

Seems that Jews were and continue to be, perpetually punished for denying and killing Jesus.

You said, "Christianity is not about Jesus death on the cross for sin" You just showed me how really lost that you are.

 

[Gurucam]

You said, "Christianity is not about Jesus death on the cross for sin" You just showed me how really lost that you are.

Jesus' death on the cross was not for Christians who are the saved and chosen and children of God.

Jesus death was for sinners. Sinner are only people who were under the ten commandments. With out the law to define sin, there is no sin, no sinners, no transgression and no repentance is required.

Luke: 5 King James Version (KJV)
32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repent

There were righteous people. These were people who were not under the law.

Fact is, every one, who in the least way, esteemed, invoked, promoted and used the ten commandments sin and fell short of the glory of God. None who were and are under the law were and are righteous. All fall short. Righteous people were not at all under the law, in any way.

With out the law to define sin, there is no sin, no sinners, no transgression and no repentance is required.

Only the Jews and the law created sin by transgression of the law and the need for blood sacrifice for remission of sin.

Romans: 4 KJV N.T.
15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression

Romans: 3 KJV N.T.
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Romans: 3 KJV N.T.
19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law:

Back then only the Jews were under the law. Therefore only the Jews could accrue sin under the law.

Only the law required blood sacrifice in order to be purged from sin. Only the Jews esteemed, invoked, promoted and use the law. Only they required a blood sacrifice for purging them of sin.

The ideas of blood sacrifice (like Jesus as a blood sacrifice) is linked only to sin under the ten commandments and those under the law:

Hebrews: 9 kjv n.t.
22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

Fact is, only the Jews (esteemed, invoked, promoted and used the law). Only they required and practice blood sacrifice according to the law. And therefore only they required blood sacrifice (like the death of Jesus) according to the law, for redemption from sin, according to the law.

Jesus death on the cross was solely for the Jews. He was presented/offered as the last and final blood sacrifice for their sin. After this the Jews were expected to totally drop the law and embrace the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the ten commandments:

Romans: 8 King James Version (KJV)
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death

Of course the Jews did not accept Jesus as their last/final blood sacrifice. They continued to esteem, invoke, promote and use the law. And therefore continue to require blood sacrifices for sin. Jesus counted nothing for them.

However, in truth and in real, blood sacrifice was nothing. It did nothing and counted for nothing:

Hebrews: 10 KJV N.T.
4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

Jesus died on the cross, as a final blood sacrifice, simply to appease the Jews (on their terms) in the hope that they would have accepted him as their final blood sacrifice and they will stop the foolish idea of offering blood sacrifice for sin.

No one other than the Jews, required blood sacrifice for remission of sin. Jesus did not die on the cross for anyone other than the Jews.

Hebrew: 10 KJV N.T.
11 And every (Jewish) priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

This entire 'blood sacrifice for sin' is purely a Jewish thing. Yet although blood sacrifice counted for nothing, Jesus died on the cross, solely to appease the Jews on their foolish terms. And even so, the Jews totally ignored it.

The Jews did not seek out Jesus who sat on the rght side of God, clad only in His Spirit, 'not seen' and eternal, Son of God, body:

1 Corinthians: 15 King James Version (KJV)
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

The Jews did not embrace the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death. The Jews remained under the law of sin and death (the ten commandments) and continue to accrue sin, death and delivery into hell inside the earth with Satan.

The Jews were some of 'the dead'. Jesus simply allowed the Jews to keep and continue to use the ten commandments which were and continue to be, the laws of sin, death and delivery to hell, inside the earth, with Satan.

With the above action, by reaffirming and allowing the law, Jesus simply allowed arrogant and violent Jews i.e. 'the dead' to bury each other in hell, inside the earth, with Satan.

 

[Gurucam]

Jesus impacted every one and introduced Christianity for everyone.

Jesus impacted every one and introduced Christianity for everyone.

Jesus impacted every one and introduced Christianity for everyone.

That is, if allowed, Jesus can and will heal, save and deliver everyone who becomes 'converted' and seek Him and are led by Him, in His Spirit form, (as only Paul did).

Jesus said:

Matthew: 13 KJV N.T.
15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

However when it comes to 'dying on the cross as a blood sacrifice' (back then), this was a different issue. This meaningless and unnecessary act was done (by Jesus) strictly to appease the Jews, on their foolish terms. (Blood sacrifice counts for nothing). The Jews were the only ones who believed that they needed a blood sacrifice for remission of their sin under the ten commandments.

Hebrew: 10 KJV N.T.
11 And every (Jewish) priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
12 But this man (i.e. Jesus), after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

Hebrews: 9 kjv n.t.
22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

The above are clear and literal revelations from the Holy KJV N.T.

 

[Gurucam]

Robert Pate,

You and your ideas are very typical of the billion strong traditional/mainstream Christians. You are one of them, more so than not.

You 'blindly', 'deaf-ly' and 'waxgross-heart-ed-ly' hold on to distortions and corruption of the Holy KJV N.T., with arrogance and self-righteousness. And with equal arrogance and self-righteousness you actively promote those distortion and corruption of the Holy KJV N.T., as Christianity.

You stand among a billion strong. You are not among the chosen few who have found the straight gate and narrow way.

Matthew: 7 King James Version (KJV)
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Mark: 12 King James Version (KJV)
24 And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?

A billion strong traditional/mainstream Christians (like you) are the great masses who are not chosen. They cannot be the few who are chosen. You all err because you all do not know scriptures, correctly.

 

[Gurucam]

Matthew: 13 KJV N.T.
15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

To be 'converted' is to cease having a waxed gross or covered over heart/spirit. This is to become aware of and/or awaken to, one's own heart/spirit. This is to cease being 'the dead'. 'The dead' describes one who is 'spiritually dead' or dead to one's own heart/spirit. (i.e. heartless, like those who killed billions in the name of inquisitions, conquest of foreign lands, 'Christianity', the bible, other 'holy books and other holy traditions . . . also, 'the dead' include those who denied, persecuted, tortured and killed Jesus.).

To be 'converted' is required/necessary for one to search one's own heart/spirit to discern precisely what the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession/Spirit of Love has in mind for one to know, pray for, say and do. This is to get 'the mind of Christ'.

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

When one is led into all of one's works, unconditionally, by precisely what the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession/Spirit of Love has in mind for one to know, pray for, say and do, as discerned within one's own heart/spirit, even if one has to transgress the law, one becomes healed by Jesus and is saved, delivered and is 'in Christ'.

2 Corinthians: 3 King James Version (KJV)
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

Acts: 13 King James Version (KJV)
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

The above is the only path to salvation, deliverance and being 'in Christ'.

And, indeed: salvation, deliverance and Christianity are all the same thing and are open only to 'converted' persons. Salvation, deliverance and Christianity are no 'done deal' . . . and so be it.

 

[Robert Pate]

Matthew: 13 KJV N.T.
15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

To be 'converted' is to cease having a waxed gross or covered over heart/spirit. This is to become aware of and/or awaken to, one's own heart/spirit. This is to cease being 'the dead'. 'The dead' describes one who is 'spiritually dead' or dead to one's own heart/spirit. (i.e. heartless, like those who killed billions in the name of inquisitions, conquest of foreign lands, 'Christianity', the bible, other 'holy books and other holy traditions . . . also, 'the dead' include those who denied, persecuted, tortured and killed Jesus.).

To be 'converted' is required/necessary for one to search one's own heart/spirit to discern precisely what the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession/Spirit of Love has in mind for one to know, pray for, say and do. This is to get 'the mind of Christ'.

Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

When one is led into all of one's works, unconditionally, by precisely what the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession/Spirit of Love has in mind for one to know, pray for, say and do, as discerned within one's own heart/spirit, even if one has to transgress the law, one becomes healed by Jesus and is saved, delivered and is 'in Christ'.

The above is the only path to salvation, deliverance and being 'in Christ'.

And, indeed: salvation, deliverance and Christianity are all the same thing and are open only to 'converted' persons. Salvation, deliverance and Christianity are no 'done deal' . . . and so be it.

Those that were saved in the New Testament were saved by hearing and believing the Gospel. This is why Paul wrote, "So then faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God" (which is the Gospel) Romans 10:17.

On the day of Pentecost thousands heard Peter's Gospel and were converted to Christ, Acts 2:41 also Acts 4:4.

 

[God's Truth]

Brinsmead never did abandon the doctrine of justification by faith, nor did he abandon the fact that Jesus was divine. Don't believe everything that you read on the internet.

Of course Jesus was divine. Only God in the flesh could atone for the sins of humanity.

How does the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit each live inside the saved if there are three distinct Spirits?

You preach three different Spirits called one how? You call the three one Spirit just by the Holy Spirit alone. How do you ever get that that is reasonable?

There is no such thing as three different spirits living inside a person and three spirits just called one.

Jesus is God in the flesh.

What don't you get that there is only one God and He is the Father?

 

[God's Truth]

Brinsmead never did abandon the doctrine of justification by faith, nor did he abandon the fact that Jesus was divine. Don't believe everything that you read on the internet.

Of course Jesus was divine. Only God in the flesh could atone for the sins of humanity.

There is only one God and He is the Father.

Eaglewings is ensnared to preach the false trinity doctrine, and the grossly false Calvin doctrine; but you are ensnared to teach against those who preach to believe all of God's words. Believing in all of God's words requires one to obey all of God's words. You preach against that. EW would like you two to unite because of that trinity doctrine. I am glad that you both would have to repent of every false doctrine you both preach, in order to be united with God.

 

[Robert Pate]

How does the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit each live inside the saved if there are three distinct Spirits?

You preach three different Spirits called one how? You call the three one Spirit just by the Holy Spirit alone. How do you ever get that that is reasonable?

There is no such thing as three different spirits living inside a person and three spirits just called one.

Jesus is God in the flesh.

What don't you get that there is only one God and He is the Father?

The Bible teaches a trinity, 3 persons in one, 1 John 5:7. But don't let that bother you, you don't believe the bible anyway.

 

[God's Truth]

The Bible teaches a trinity, 3 persons in one, 1 John 5:7. But don't let that bother you, you don't believe the bible anyway.

The Bible does not preach 3 persons in one.

The Bible preaches the One in three; and that is speaking according to your words of confusion.

One MEANS 'the same'.

So now read the scripture about the three being one.

Read it again with the knowledge that 'one' means 'the same'.

 

[Gurucam]

Those that were saved in the New Testament were saved by hearing and believing the Gospel. This is why Paul wrote, "So then faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God" (which is the Gospel) Romans 10:17.

On the day of Pentecost thousands heard Peter's Gospel and were converted to Christ, Acts 2:41 also Acts 4:4.

Do not fool yourself, faith (or awakening faith) is not salvation and deliverance.

Faith is:

Hebrews: 11 King James Version (KJV)
1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Faith is simply the stepping stone to becoming 'converted' (i.e. becoming aware of one's own heart/spirit . . . which a thing 'not seen').

One's heart or spirit is a thing 'not seen'. Faith is simply the stepping stone to becoming aware of one's heart/spirit which is a thing 'not seen'. This is not salvation and deliverance.

After becoming aware of one's 'not seen' heart/spirit. One need to search one's own heart/spirit to know, commune with and be led by, another thing that is 'not seen'. This is the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Intercession/Spirit of Love. Then one is saved, delivered and a Christian.

Those verses which you referred to, do not relate to Christianity. They relate to Satan/Peter's mission, as given to him by Jesus.

Satan/Peter's mission is simply to do what is necessary to saved the spirit of the dead in the day of the Lord Jesus. This is some time in the future.

1 Corinthians: 5 King James Version (KJV)
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus

The above is a system that was established by the physical Jesus, in a church which he also physically established, under Satan, who was Peter.

Saving of one's spirit in the day of the lord Jesus is about helping one to be 'converted' at some future time. To be Christian one must be converted now.

Peter's mission and church, as given to him By Jesus is not about helping people becoming converted now and to be Christians now.

Peter mission and church is about letting the dead bury each other inside the earth, in hell with Satan, when they die, in the hope or plan that they will be 'converted' in the day of the Lord Jesus.

Saving of one spirit is simply to have one become 'converted'. Only then the Spirit Jesus can heal, save and deliver one one.

If one is lucky enough to have his spirit saved in Peter's church, during one's life time, one has to then, totally abandon Peter's church and embrace Paul's commission.

Saving one's spirit is the upper limit of Peter and his church. Peter and his church are not given and are not actualized, to go further. Peter and his church cannot bring one onto Christ. Peter's church cannot be and is not, the body of Christ. Only Paul can take one further, i.e. the rest of the way to being saved, delivered and in Christ.

Paul's 'church' is a totally different 'church' from Peter's church (which is 'seen').

Peter church was established by the physical Jesus. Peter's church is called a Catholic church (and not a Christian church) for a good reason.

Paul's 'church' is 'not seen' and it is the body of Christ. Only Paul's 'not seen' Church is the Christian church.

The Spirit Jesus established Paul's commission, which is totally 'not seen', spirit and Spirit based. Paul's commission is the Christian commission which is headed and led personally, intuitively and directly by the Spirit Jesus through the individual hearts/spirit of each Saint/Christian.

The physical Jesus established Peter's church for the purpose of letting the dead bury each other, inside the earth, in hell with Satan, in the hope and plan that their spirits might be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

1 Corinthians: 5 King James Version (KJV)
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus

When the dead are buried in hell inside the earth, with Satan, it is hoped that their spirits may be saved, in the day of the Lord Jesus. It is not guaranteed.

Jesus had, declared and perused two agendas:

Matthew: 8 KJV N.T.
22 But Jesus said unto him, 1. Follow me; and 2. let the dead bury their dead.

The first agenda ('follow me') was rendered onto only Paul. This is anchored on righteousness that is without the ten commandments. This is the gospel of uncircumcision.

Romans: 3 King James Version (KJV)
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

The second agenda ('let the dead bury their dead') was rendered onto Peter. This is anchored on righteousness that is with the ten commandments. This is the gospel of circumcision. The ten commandments are the law of sin, death and delivery to hell, inside the earth, with Satan.

Galatians: 2 KJV N.T.
7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter

 

[God's Truth]

Those that were saved in the New Testament were saved by hearing and believing the Gospel. This is why Paul wrote, "So then faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God" (which is the Gospel) Romans 10:17.

On the day of Pentecost thousands heard Peter's Gospel and were converted to Christ, Acts 2:41 also Acts 4:4.

The people of the old testament times were saved the same way we are saved today, and that is by believing AND OBEYING.
Paul tells CORINTHIAN GENTILES that it is for us.

1 Corinthians 10

Warnings From Israel’s History
10 For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers and sisters, that our ancestors were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea.

Did you hear that? Paul calls the people with Moses in the desert OUR ANCESTORS.


2 They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. 3 They all ate the same spiritual food 4 and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ. 5 Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them; their bodies were scattered in the wilderness.

6 Now these things occurred as examples to keep us from setting our hearts on evil things as they did.

Did you read that? Paul says they were an example to us.


7 Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it is written: “The people sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in revelry.” 8 We should not commit sexual immorality, as some of them did—and in one day twenty-three thousand of them died. 9 We should not test Christ, as some of them did—and were killed by snakes. 10 And do not grumble, as some of them did—and were killed by the destroying angel.

11 These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the culmination of the ages has come.

Paul says that those things happened to them AS EXAMPLES and were WRITTEN DOWN as WARNING for US.

That prove we have to obey, just as the those in the old testament had to obey.

 

[Robert Pate]

The Bible does not preach 3 persons in one.

The Bible preaches the One in three; and that is speaking according to your words of confusion.

One MEANS 'the same'.

So now read the scripture about the three being one.

Read it again with the knowledge that 'one' means 'the same'.

I don't have a problem with the trinity. There are 3 different manifestations of the trinity.

1. Jesus comes into the world as the savior.
2. The Holy Spirit glorifies the work of Christ and works in the life of the believer.
3. The Father remains in heaven.

It is heresy to confuse the work of the trinity.

 

[God's Truth]

I don't have a problem with the trinity. There are 3 different manifestations of the trinity.

1. Jesus comes into the world as the savior.
2. The Holy Spirit glorifies the work of Christ and works in the life of the believer.
3. The Father remains in heaven.

It is heresy to confuse the work of the trinity.

JESUS' WORKS IS the Father's works!!!!!!!!

John 4:31 Meanwhile his disciples urged him, "Rabbi, eat something."


32 But he said to them, "I have food to eat that you know nothing about."

33 Then his disciples said to each other, "Could someone have brought him food?"

34 "My food," said Jesus, "is to do the will of him who sent me and to finish his work.


YOU said don't confuse their works and you called it HERESY!!!!!!!!

 

[jamie]

3. The Father remains in heaven.

What is heaven? Where is it?

 

[Robert Pate]

JESUS' WORKS IS the Father's works!!!!!!!!

John 4:31 Meanwhile his disciples urged him, "Rabbi, eat something."


32 But he said to them, "I have food to eat that you know nothing about."

33 Then his disciples said to each other, "Could someone have brought him food?"

34 "My food," said Jesus, "is to do the will of him who sent me and to finish his work.


YOU said don't confuse their works and you called it HERESY!!!!!!!!

The Father is not the savior, nor is the Holy Spirit the savior. Jesus is the savior and no one will be saved that does not call on him to save them.

 

[Eagles Wings]

The Father is not the savior, nor is the Holy Spirit the savior. Jesus is the savior and no one will be saved that does not call on him to save them.

Agree that salvation is only through the Son.

I believe that those who call upon Him, do so only by God's intervention through the Spirit.

Justification by faith is all of God, none of man.

 

[Robert Pate]

Agree that salvation is only through the Son.

I believe that those who call upon Him, do so only by God's intervention through the Spirit.

Justification by faith is all of God, none of man.

That isn't what the Bible says. "Whosoever that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.

 

[Eagles Wings]

That isn't what the Bible says. "Whosoever that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.

Love that verse and it agrees with John 15:16.