Saved are you?

[SOTK]

I challenge anybody here to find a verse in the Bible where Christians are referred to as "sinners". Christians are Children of God. We are Saints! We are not to refer to ourselves as "sinners". We do not sin anymore because Christ crucified our old sin nature on the Cross. Our old sin nature is gone. It's dead. We are wonderful new creatures in Christ!

We are to place our identity in Christ. Not sin! If one is identifying with sin and/or the world, they will of course act as such.

 

[elohiym]

... I still believe that Christians can sin and still be saved. That is why God grants us forgiveness.

What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. Romans 6:1,2

He says God forbid. God forbid Christians should sin.

How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Romans 6:2

He is asking how is it even possible, considering that we are dead to sin. How do you think we are dead to sin?

 

[elohiym]

Ex 20: 7Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

That verse has nothing to do with cursing. That verse has more to do with claiming you are a child of God while acting like a child of the devil.

 

[SOTK]

What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. Romans 6:1,2

He says God forbid. God forbid Christians should sin.

How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Romans 6:2

He is asking how is it even possible, considering that we are dead to sin. How do you think we are dead to sin?

Excellent use of scripture! Romans 6:1-2 is really what caused me to see the truth of our salvation! :thumb:

 

[God_Is_Truth]

Does a person have to stop sinning to be saved?

I say yes.

Jesus said: "...go and sin no more." John 8:11 (John 5:14)

Peter wrote: "...arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin." 1 Peter 4:1

Paul wrote: "Awake to righteousness, and sin not..." 1 Corinthians 15:34

There's more, but what do you think, does a person have to stop sinning to be saved?

first i would like to note that saying "go and sin no more" does not apply to this dispensation.

now as to your question, i would say "no". i believe that it is impossible for us to stop sinning without the help of God. we are born slaves to sin and therefore need to be freed from it by someone else. to say that God would require us to stop sinning (completely) in order to be saved is inhumane. God would be asking of us the impossible.

now should we continue on in sin, after being saved? God forbid! repentence is a central part of the christian life. but that is quite different from ceasing to sin before being saved.

 

[elohiym]

I used to think that also, but not any more. To be truly saved you must have faith in Christ. To receive his grace you must believe in him who God sent. You cannot have Christ and Satan in the temple of your body. A Christian does not have room for evil. It cannot co-exsist with Christ. Notice that the Law speaks of love for God and people.The fruit of the spirit within you is love if it is God's spirit. The law was given to teach us what God expects for us. But it is by grace we are saved, not the works of the law. Therefor, sin does not exsist for true believers. However that does not make void the law. it is kept out of love for him who gave it. That make it the perfect law when it kept out of love. So if we are not under the law, how can we sin? Sin is transgression of the law. Keep in mind though that he is coming back for thoes who keep the commandments of God and the Faith of Jesus Christ.

:thumb:

 

[elohiym]

I challenge anybody here to find a verse in the Bible where Christians are referred to as "sinners". Christians are Children of God. We are Saints! We are not to refer to ourselves as "sinners". We do not sin anymore because Christ crucified our old sin nature on the Cross. Our old sin nature is gone. It's dead. We are wonderful new creatures in Christ!

We are to place our identity in Christ. Not sin! If one is identifying with sin and/or the world, they will of course act as such.

:thumb:

 

[God_Is_Truth]

I challenge anybody here to find a verse in the Bible where Christians are referred to as "sinners".

any thoughts on this verse?

1 Timothy 5:22
Do not lay hands upon anyone too hastily and thereby share responsibility for the sins of others;

:think:

 

[elohiym]

any thoughts on this verse?

1 Timothy 5:22
Do not lay hands upon anyone too hastily and thereby share responsibility for the sins of others;

:think:

What is the purpose of laying on hands, in your opinion?

 

[Jabez]

If a person does not have to stop sinning to be saved, then what the heck does repent mean?

So child raping Catholic priests don't have to stop raping, and they can be saved? :shocked:

Could you give me a list of the sins one can commit and still be saved, as opposed to the ones thay can't commit and be saved?

All i can say is, Iam saved and have thoughts for a fleeting moment, I wish i had that(envy) Which is a sin.Thoughts can be sins.As far as the priest are concerned, they are sinning when engaged in those activities.If they truely repent they are forgiven.

 

[koban]

That verse has nothing to do with cursing. That verse has more to do with claiming you are a child of God while acting like a child of the devil.

OK - you're being stupid again.

What do you think a curse is?

Do you think hitting your finger and yelling "$hi+" is a curse?

 

[elohiym]

OK - you're being stupid again.

What do you think a curse is?

Do you think hitting your finger and yelling "$hi+" is a curse?

koban,

I asked another person, not YOU, to show me a law in the Bible that said it was a sin if you cursed when you smashed your thumb. That is because he believes it is a sin if he curses when he smashes his thumb.

You responded to that request by posting a verse that has nothing to with a person sinning by cursing when he smashes his finger.

 

[Jabez]

Is it a sin to deny you know Jesus?

 

[elohiym]

Is it a sin to deny you know Jesus?

...if we deny him, he also will deny us. 2 Timoth 2:12

 

[koban]

koban,

I asked another person, not YOU, to show me a law in the Bible that said it was a sin if you cursed when you smashed your thumb. That is because he believes it is a sin if he curses when he smashes his thumb.

You responded to that request by posting a verse that has nothing to with a person sinning by cursing when he smashes his finger.

You're right Elohiym,

Ex 20: 7Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

doesn't mention fingers at all. :darwinsm:

What a maroon! (in case you've forgotten, this is a kinder, gentler way of saying that you're a moron, dropped on your head as a child, slightly retarded)



What do you think a curse is?

 

[God_Is_Truth]

What is the purpose of laying on hands, in your opinion?

as i understand it, it is to consecrate someone to God for a special purpose, and sometimes to bestow a gift upon them (spiritual gifts especially).

did you see my other post by the way, about the original question?

 

[Jabez]

...if we deny him, he also will deny us. 2 Timoth 2:12

So do you consider that a sin or not?

 

[elohiym]

now should we continue on in sin, after being saved? God forbid! repentence is a central part of the christian life. but that is quite different from ceasing to sin before being saved.

So if we continue on sinning after we are saved then we are not saved. Isn't that what you are saying?

 

[Turbo]

Christians still sin, but Christians are not under the law. Christians are no longer sinners, but saints. Even though Christians still sin, they do not lose their salvation.


Romans 6
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

22 But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life. 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Should we continue to sin because we can?

Romans 6
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? 17 But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. 18 And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. 19 I speak in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves of uncleanness, and of lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness.

:up: Worth repeating.

 

[elohiym]

So do you consider that a sin or not?

Yes.

Do you consider denying Jesus a sin?